Another pay question

pc12_driver

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Here's the scoop:

-Part 91 Pilot/ Manager in the SE
-BE200 (30 yrs old), C402 (20 yrs old), PA32 (new)
-Salary 57k plus benefits, vehicle, no 401k
-8 days off per month, not guaranteed
-Most flying Wed thru Mon
-6 owners (all want to ride right seat)
-CFI, II, MEI required to give instruction during flights and give 2 owners their PPL, instrument etc
-was told extra money could be made "chartering" when owners not using a/c
-never had a "corporate pilot", so there are no provisions for expense account, petty cash, etc

Question: Is this fair pay or should it be higher? I know there are "sluts" that would take this pay, but what is it REALLY worth for a professional?
 

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PC12,

I was offered a similar position in the southern Chicago area. The aircraft was PC12 and everytime I met with the main owner the number of parterns went up. I asked for 90,000 based on the work schedule and the fact that they wanted to do 135. The owner just lauged at me and proceeded to find someone that would do it for cheaper. Guess what, he was able to find someone only days later. Fight the good fight, but be able to deal with the outcome. Something better will come along if it doesn't work out.

Good luck,

ewarning





Another pay question
Here's the scoop:

-Part 91 Pilot/ Manager in the SE
-BE200 (30 yrs old), C402 (20 yrs old), PA32 (new)
-Salary 57k plus benefits, vehicle, no 401k
-8 days off per month, not guaranteed
-Most flying Wed thru Mon
-6 owners (all want to ride right seat)
-CFI, II, MEI required to give instruction during flights and give 2 owners their PPL, instrument etc
-was told extra money could be made "chartering" when owners not using a/c
-never had a "corporate pilot", so there are no provisions for expense account, petty cash, etc

Question: Is this fair pay or should it be higher? I know there are "sluts" that would take this pay, but what is it REALLY worth for a professional?
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pc12_driver said:
Here's the scoop:

-Part 91 Pilot/ Manager in the SE
-BE200 (30 yrs old), C402 (20 yrs old), PA32 (new)
-Salary 57k plus benefits, vehicle, no 401k
-8 days off per month, not guaranteed
-Most flying Wed thru Mon
-6 owners (all want to ride right seat)
-CFI, II, MEI required to give instruction during flights and give 2 owners their PPL, instrument etc
-was told extra money could be made "chartering" when owners not using a/c
-never had a "corporate pilot", so there are no provisions for expense account, petty cash, etc

Question: Is this fair pay or should it be higher? I know there are "sluts" that would take this pay, but what is it REALLY worth for a professional?
The six owners are the bigest problem here. You almost certainaly will be run ragged with schedule conflicts.

Charter? Do you have a certificate? What about the insurance? When would you do it on the eight unguaranteed days off?

Don't walk away from these guys run very fast.

Just my opinion.

604
 

Flying Illini

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I would think at least 90K for a 135 "manager". And that doesn't include what they will have to pay you for your services as a flight instructor. I would demand 8 hard days off. Will they be paying for your health/dental/vision, etc? If not, then ask in the 110K range.
 

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sounds like they need about 2 or 3 more pilots
 

prpjt

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If it were a b200 only, and one owner, just flying with no mgmt duties it would be on the low side of OK.

Sounds to me like they are looking to fill 3 positions for one salary.

Pilot
Fleet manager
Flight instructor

This description looks like a hornets nest to me. As far as flying for 6 owners sharing 3 planes, just go outside and slam your hand in a car door. I think that pain will go away sooner than what they are proposing.
 

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Holy crap, that sounds like a pretty crummy situation at any price, let alone 57K.
 

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Very bad deal! Very bad deal!
 

MEMfis

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Also, sounds like another 134.5 charter unofficial/illegal/operator, but I guess we all already suspected that
 

FlyFlyFly

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Working 23 days a month, flying and most likely managing 3 aircraft? Only one person?

That is a $100K job, that will most likely be impossible for one guy to do. The $57K wouldn't even be good pay for flying and managing the KingAir alone.

I would get crystal clear with them on a job description, on charter (ie where is the certificate, I want to meet the DoM and DO), and how they can take away "hard days off". I would ask them upfornt whether or not salary is negotiable. If it isn't, you will have a tough decision. This sounds like one of those "bet your certificate" type jobs, so make sure you get paid.
 

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Your company needs at least 1 more $57k captain, and as manager/pilot you should be in the low 70's at least.

The '6+' partners should be ashamed, but folks like that never seem to have any scruples anyway.

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Run far far far away. How happy do you think you would be babysitting rich guys in their toys?
 

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I agree with everyone else, not enough money. You'd basically be doing 3 jobs for the price of one with the pay of flying the smaller 2 of the 3 A/C, with no mgmt duties. Also doing charter in these planes is a joke, the 6 owners obviously know nothing of aviation. Not enough days off to boot. South Florida by any chance?
 

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landlover said:
I agree with everyone else, not enough money. You'd basically be doing 3 jobs for the price of one with the pay of flying the smaller 2 of the 3 A/C, with no mgmt duties. Also doing charter in these planes is a joke, the 6 owners obviously know nothing of aviation. Not enough days off to boot. South Florida by any chance?

Nope, Central Fl actually.I had several conversations with these guys regarding pay and responsibilities. They said that 57k was as high as they were willing to go!! I think I scared them when I told them what a professional should get paid. My understanding is that they actually found someone (read: SUCKER/SLUT) to do all of this! Good luck. Anyone can PM me for details in order to steer clear!
 

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This has got to be the biggest joke I've ever herad. babysitting six guys? holy sh!tballs talk about insane. Being a CFI in a king air, yeah right. Before long at least one to two of the owners will stop paying. All six will fight over time in the airplane. Sounds like none will respect giving you time off. Good luck finding time to get a 135 certificate let alone time to use it. They'll be bitching at you for "wheres my charter revenue, punk". I give this a year before it's sitting on a ramp with missing logbook entries, deferred maintenance, and half a dozen liens. Then Johnny bank pilot will get a ferry permit and poof!, it'll end up in FLA to start it all over again in two years.
 
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