Another multi logging question

[IrishFlyer]

Hi,

I am asking this question on behalf of two of two instructors at my flight school.

Instructor 1: Has MEI
Instructor 2: Has ME

Both flying light twin (GA-7 Cougar) one under the hood the other acting as safety pilot. Flight is not a training flight only for proficiency and hour building. Can both instructors log PIC if no training given?

Thanks,

IF

 

[PaulThomas]

Yes.
Both are required crewmember in this scenario
One is safety pilot ==>required crew member, acting a PIC (and logging)
On is flying the plane ==> sole manipulator of controls, logging PIC

 

[JeffSKDTW]

Yes.
Both are required crewmember in this scenario
One is safety pilot ==>required crew member, acting a PIC (and logging)
On is flying the plane ==> sole manipulator of controls, logging PIC

Just remember, the safety pilot does get to log PIC simply by virtue of being the safety pilot. There are additional hoops to jump through:

1) He must meet the currency requirements of 61.57, have a current and valid medical as required by 61.3 and 61.23, and meet the flight review requirements defined by 61.56. All of these are assumed met in this case.

2) The two pilots must also agree that the safety pilot will be ACTING PIC. He is not acting PIC simply because he is the safety pilot. It doesn't take much, "I'm acting PIC when you're under the hood, right?" "Yup." Done.

 

[flyf15]

Hmm, why not just have one instructor give the other one dual?

 

[nosehair]

Hmm, why not just have one instructor give the other one dual?

Because,...unless it is REEELY dual, it's not ethical....

 

[flyf15]

I don't know, often times it really does turn into dual if you want it to. I've done some "fun flights" with another instructor that ended up being me instructing him on IFR cross countries...he had become pretty rusty.

There is most definately something that each instructor can instruct the other on. Not just to say that, I really mean it. But, if it truely a flight where one person is just a passenger and no aviation instruction is going on at all, then I agree, it should not be a "dual instruction given/recieved" flight.

 

[PropsForward]

I don't know, often times it really does turn into dual if you want it to. I've done some "fun flights" with another instructor that ended up being me instructing him on IFR cross countries...he had become pretty rusty.

I agree, you get two CFI's together and they have different ways about doing this and that. It really is a learning/training experience for both.

 

[bertengineer]

Two Cfi's

I agree, you get two CFI's together and they have different ways about doing this and that. It really is a learning/training experience for both.

Yeah, until one of them says "Watch This!"

Bert

 

[HMR]

Yeah, until one of them says "Watch This!"

So true! I had a fellow MEI say this to me just before we barrel rolled a Duchess. I couldn't believe he did it... So I made him do it again.

Irish- At least these guys are using a hood. Earlier this year near ABQ I ran into two students from a well known school that flies seminoles all over the country. They had just gotten their instrument tickets and were flying from FL to CA to build time. They had a hood on board- it was stuffed in one of the suitcases behind the back seat. The said they were enjoying their 15 hour sightseeing flight.

 

[PropsForward]

Yeah, until one of them says "Watch This!"

Bert

Yeah, The most dangerous situation is to have two CFI's in the airplane at once...