Another MOU agreed to at US Airways, if you believe it

[Tweaker]

Da. . . .

 

[ERfly]

No Turtle, the NIC is not dead. It was legal, and will stand eventually. The AA creditors want a pilot deal first, and Parker will probably tell USAPA no pay raise and no merger without the NIC in place. If he didn't care, he would have said so by now. He has hoped you would resolve it yourselves, but the Westies have nothing to lose, and it will only get better for them, they have their numbers already via the NIC. I think you will be very upset.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I see that kinder, gentler thing worked out well for you. Please tell me in 16,000 posts or less how this in any way, shape or form affects a superior "Delta" pilot like yourself.

 

[Tweaker]

DON'T quote genital in my friggin' thread!

Thank you!

Ignore list - how does it work?

IT DOESN'T

 

[Dornier 335]

I see that kinder, gentler thing worked out well for you. Please tell me in 16,000 posts or less how this in any way, shape or form affects a superior "Delta" pilot like yourself.

You'll also realize that general lee (spelled in lower case purposely) not also loves to rub his nose into other people's (dirty) business (or regional forum) and gossip about it like South American or European housewives on a busy street market, but also will distract you whenever you scratch the surface of his mighty airline. Am still waiting for his response how his superior airline treated the WA and PA pilots irrespectively whether it was before his time or not.

Other than that I agree with Tweaker. Not worth your time.

 

[General Lee]

I see that kinder, gentler thing worked out well for you. Please tell me in 16,000 posts or less how this in any way, shape or form affects a superior "Delta" pilot like yourself.

Notice I gave an opinion, without the sharp jabs. That is what I meant by the kinder, gentler me. I still believe the Westies will prevail, primarily because they did it the right way, legally. If that makes you mad, then I am sorry. But, fulfilling your obligation is important in life, and if your group did agree to something beforehand, it is best to follow through. It's honorable. Don't sign up for it if you don't intend to honor it.

And how does this affect me? If groups agree to something and then disagree and disregard it, it affects EVERYONE in this industry. How can you not see that?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You'll also realize that general lee (spelled in lower case purposely) not also loves to rub his nose into other people's (dirty) business (or regional forum) and gossip about it like South American or European housewives on a busy street market, but also will distract you whenever you scratch the surface of his mighty airline. Am still waiting for his response how his superior airline treated the WA and PA pilots irrespectively whether it was before his time or not.

Other than that I agree with Tweaker. Not worth your time.

Why are you angry? As far as how the airline treated the WA and PA guys, the WA guys did lose some seniority, but WA was smaller than DL, and that tends to happen with different sized airlines. US East got the top 500 slots with the NIC, giving credit for the INTL flying they did vs AWA. But, NIC supposedly told your side he wasn't comfortable with DOH, and to work it out. It doesn't sound like your guys did that. As far as Pan Am went, I flew with one of those guys a few months ago to Paris. He said it was an asset sale, and that the airline continued to fly on its own after the sale of Europe routes, the Pan Am Shuttle, etc. Those guys didn't have to go to Delta, they could have bid to stay at Pan Am until the end. How does any of that relate to your side not accepting a binding award you agreed to beforehand? Please answer.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[cbrown1]

So when do we see this MOU? When does the merger become official?

 

[LaGarbage Man]

So when do we see this MOU? When does the merger become official?

That is the $25,000 question. All I know for sure is the NDA expires at the end of the month so my best guess is that is when we see the MOU. As for the second part of the question, It will come down to when the AMR creditors take a vote on which business plan they wish to pursue. They were suppose to vote on the Jan. 9th but it looks like Horton got it pushed back 3 weeks to more closely correspond with the NDA running out. He needed more time to pack his golden parachute. So I guess we all get to stand by to stand by.

 

[Bringupthebird]

If Parker is such a prize, why don't his financial backers just dump a ton of money into US and let it use it's cost advantage to put a whippin' on the competitors? They're gonna have to pour plenty into AA and there's no guarantee that it won't become so topheavy that it is unable to compete, especially in a downturn.

Conversely, why don't the UCC members drum up more financial support for a stand-alone AA that snuffs out US and buys the assets at auction?

 

[Deadalus]

You seem too emotional to have an objective perspective. Its a shame really.

Too emotional? That's funny coming from an eastie.

Just like a deer in the headlights aren't you? Ahhhhhhh, this is going to be so cool to watch. LMAO

 

[LaGarbage Man]

That is the $25,000 question. All I know for sure is the NDA expires at the end of the month so my best guess is that is when we see the MOU. As for the second part of the question, It will come down to when the AMR creditors take a vote on which business plan they wish to pursue. They were suppose to vote on the Jan. 9th but it looks like Horton got it pushed back 3 weeks to more closely correspond with the NDA running out. He needed more time to pack his golden parachute. So I guess we all get to stand by to stand by.

Well I am pleasantly surprised to be proven wrong. I just read the union e-mail that says we will get an outline of the proposed MOU later today. Looks like we finally get something more than rumors

 

[Tweaker]

9:32

big announcement!!

 

[dollacrackho]

Don't see anything about the nic...

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Don't see anything about the nic...

• For USAPA, the JBCA will be a new contract. For APA, the JCBA will be an amendment to our current contract.

Doesnt the nic become effective with a new contract.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Negotiating Committee Overview of the MOU​

In December, APA participated in negotiations to develop a memorandum of understanding (MOU) addressing issues related to a potential merger inside bankruptcy. The talks were facilitated by the Unsecured Creditors’ Committee and included senior management from US Airways and AMR, as well as negotiators from the US Airlines Pilots Association (USAPA). We worked very closely with the USAPA Negotiating Committee throughout this process. The APA Board of Directors voted on Dec. 29 to approve the MOU by a vote of 11-5. The USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives approved the MOU on Jan. 4 by a vote of 11-0.

• The document replaces the conditional labor agreement (CLA) negotiated with US Airways management in April 2012 and serves as a Merger Transition Agreement.
• The MOU starts with the APA 2012 Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) as the baseline contract for all pilots, and allows APA to make $522 million in contractual improvements ($87 million per year over six years).
• USAPA pilots will be covered under the modified APA 2012 CBA on the Effective Date, which will be the date the Plan of Reorganization is approved by the bankruptcy court.
• A timeline is established for negotiating a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) with USAPA participation until such time as one union is certified by the National Mediation Board (NMB) to be the collective bargaining representative of the combined pilot craft or class, at which time the duly-certified representative shall have the exclusive authority to negotiate the JCBA on behalf of the pilots.
• For USAPA, the JBCA will be a new contract. For APA, the JCBA will be an amendment to our current contract.

• APA must file a single-carrier petition with the NMB within four months of the Effective Date of the MOU.
• Provisions and procedures are established for a Seniority List Integration process in accordance with McCaskill-Bond.
• The MOU provides initial flying protections until fence provisions are established as part of the Seniority List Integration process.

All existing AA aircraft, including orders and options, will be flown by current APA pilots.
All existing US aircraft, including orders and options, will be flown by current USAPA pilots.
US Airways pilots will fly the first thirty E190 aircraft and starting with the 31st E190, APA will receive two E190 aircraft for every additional E190 above thirty flown by US Airways pilots.
Shuttle operations (BOS-LGA-DCA) will be flown by current USAPA pilots, along with existing PHX-Hawaii flying.
All transpacific (Asia) flying will be performed by current APA pilots.

• Minimum block hour floors are established at US and AA to prevent the new company from drawing down either operation at the expense of the other. Pay protection is provided for pilots subject to displacements (subject to contract modification and valuation phase).
• If either US Airways or American Airlines is hiring, furloughed pilots on either side may volunteer to fly for the other operation. Furlough protection will be provided to all pilots at both operations, who are senior to the most junior active pilot on the Effective Date.
• Carried over from the Conditional Labor Agreement are provisions that transition our vacation accruals and daily values to the America West structure (daily value of 3:40), as well as the provision that flights over 16:00 hours will be manned by two captains and two first officers. Similar to the CLA, the MOU has no provision for profit-sharing.
• The APA 2012 CBA Section 1 will preserve the limit for regional feed aircraft of 76 seats and 86,000 lbs and will grandfather seventy-six aircraft which are below 86,000 lbs but currently flying with more than 76 seats. Total regional operations will be limited to 75% of the mainline narrow-body fleet count and large regional aircraft (66-76 seats plus grandfathered) will be limited to 40% of the mainline narrow-body fleet count in 2016 and thereafter. Domestic code-sharing will be limited to 15% (down from 50% in our current contract). The international baseline will be updated to include international hours flown by US Airways.
• The MOU also requires the new company to uphold the arbitration decision outlined in LOA 12-05 that will address the elimination of Supplement CC and the drawdown of the STL pilot base.

Contract Modifications​

As mentioned previously, the MOU gives APA $522 million to spend on contractual improvements, subject to a valuation phase and arbitration (if required). On Thursday, Jan. 3, 2013, the APA Board directed the Negotiating Committee to make specific contractual modifications to our 2012 CBA during the valuation phase outlined in the MOU. Since these modifications have not been mutually agreed to, we will communicate them in a separate message in the near future.
This MOU negotiation is just one milestone in this process and will require approval of the two corporate boards of directors as well as the approval of the bankruptcy court. It is our goal to provide additional educational materials in the near future in order to answer the many questions you may have associated with the MOU and the potential merger process ahead.
You APA Negotiating Committee​

 

[cactusboy53]

Joint Presidents' Message

Fellow Pilots,***************
The US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) and Allied Pilots Association (APA) share the goal of achieving the best possible contract for our memberships, and the increasing possibility of a US Airways-American Airlines merger has brought us together to work for that common cause. While this is the first joint communication you are receiving, your respective negotiating committees have been working well together since shortly after the announcement of the possible merger last April. Additionally, USAPA and APA have enjoyed a good working relationship for years though our mutual involvement with the Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations (CAPA), advancing common interests that affect our profession.


One of the results of these cooperative efforts has been the memorandum of understanding (MOU) that was approved by the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives on Jan. 4, 2013 for a membership vote and by the APA Board of Directors on Dec. 29, 2012. This MOU was the product of extensive discussions during the last month with our unions and representatives from US Airways, American Airlines and the AMR Unsecured Creditors’ Committee. Due to restrictions imposed by a confidentiality agreement, we have been unable to share any details of this MOU with you until now.


In addition to this joint update, you will be receiving information today from your respective negotiating committees outlining what the MOU means to you. If the merger is eventually approved, this MOU along with the APA-American Airlines 2012 Collective Bargaining Agreement will serve as the foundation for the joint collective bargaining agreement (JCBA) for the combined pilot force. Your negotiating committees will continue working together as we develop this contract, jointly pursuing the best possible outcome for our memberships and striving to expeditiously join other pilot groups that are already enjoying substantially improved contracts.


We recognize the prospect for substantial improvements this potential merger holds for both pilot groups. We will continue our partnership in this effort and will update you as conditions warrant. Should this merger take place, we are looking forward to utilizing the best assets from both unions to work toward a JCBA that we can all be proud of—a JCBA that propels the “New American Airlines” to the top of the industry.

Gary Hummel Keith Wilson
President, USAPA President, APA

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

Negotiating Committee Overview of the MOU​

In December, APA participated in negotiations to develop a memorandum of understanding (MOU) addressing issues related to a potential merger inside bankruptcy. The talks were facilitated by the Unsecured Creditors’ Committee and included senior management from US Airways and AMR, as well as negotiators from the US Airlines Pilots Association (USAPA). We worked very closely with the USAPA Negotiating Committee throughout this process. The APA Board of Directors voted on Dec. 29 to approve the MOU by a vote of 11-5. The USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives approved the MOU on Jan. 4 by a vote of 11-0.

Key Components of the MOU​

• The document replaces the conditional labor agreement (CLA) negotiated with US Airways management in April 2012 and serves as a Merger Transition Agreement.
• The MOU starts with the APA 2012 Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) as the baseline contract for all pilots, and allows APA to make $522 million in contractual improvements ($87 million per year over six years).
• USAPA pilots will be covered under the modified APA 2012 CBA on the Effective Date, which will be the date the Plan of Reorganization is approved by the bankruptcy court.
• A timeline is established for negotiating a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) with USAPA participation until such time as one union is certified by the National Mediation Board (NMB) to be the collective bargaining representative of the combined pilot craft or class, at which time the duly-certified representative shall have the exclusive authority to negotiate the JCBA on behalf of the pilots.
• For USAPA, the JBCA will be a new contract. For APA, the JCBA will be an amendment to our current contract.

​

• APA must file a single-carrier petition with the NMB within four months of the Effective Date of the MOU.
• Provisions and procedures are established for a Seniority List Integration process in accordance with McCaskill-Bond.
• The MOU provides initial flying protections until fence provisions are established as part of the Seniority List Integration process.

All existing AA aircraft, including orders and options, will be flown by current APA pilots.
All existing US aircraft, including orders and options, will be flown by current USAPA pilots.
US Airways pilots will fly the first thirty E190 aircraft and starting with the 31st E190, APA will receive two E190 aircraft for every additional E190 above thirty flown by US Airways pilots.
Shuttle operations (BOS-LGA-DCA) will be flown by current USAPA pilots, along with existing PHX-Hawaii flying.
All transpacific (Asia) flying will be performed by current APA pilots.

• Minimum block hour floors are established at US and AA to prevent the new company from drawing down either operation at the expense of the other. Pay protection is provided for pilots subject to displacements (subject to contract modification and valuation phase).
• If either US Airways or American Airlines is hiring, furloughed pilots on either side may volunteer to fly for the other operation. Furlough protection will be provided to all pilots at both operations, who are senior to the most junior active pilot on the Effective Date.
• Carried over from the Conditional Labor Agreement are provisions that transition our vacation accruals and daily values to the America West structure (daily value of 3:40), as well as the provision that flights over 16:00 hours will be manned by two captains and two first officers. Similar to the CLA, the MOU has no provision for profit-sharing.
• The APA 2012 CBA Section 1 will preserve the limit for regional feed aircraft of 76 seats and 86,000 lbs and will grandfather seventy-six aircraft which are below 86,000 lbs but currently flying with more than 76 seats. Total regional operations will be limited to 75% of the mainline narrow-body fleet count and large regional aircraft (66-76 seats plus grandfathered) will be limited to 40% of the mainline narrow-body fleet count in 2016 and thereafter. Domestic code-sharing will be limited to 15% (down from 50% in our current contract). The international baseline will be updated to include international hours flown by US Airways.
• The MOU also requires the new company to uphold the arbitration decision outlined in LOA 12-05 that will address the elimination of Supplement CC and the drawdown of the STL pilot base.

Contract Modifications​

As mentioned previously, the MOU gives APA $522 million to spend on contractual improvements, subject to a valuation phase and arbitration (if required). On Thursday, Jan. 3, 2013, the APA Board directed the Negotiating Committee to make specific contractual modifications to our 2012 CBA during the valuation phase outlined in the MOU. Since these modifications have not been mutually agreed to, we will communicate them in a separate message in the near future.
This MOU negotiation is just one milestone in this process and will require approval of the two corporate boards of directors as well as the approval of the bankruptcy court. It is our goal to provide additional educational materials in the near future in order to answer the many questions you may have associated with the MOU and the potential merger process ahead.
You APA Negotiating Committee

 

[Tweaker]

Attachments:
MOU
Side Letter
APA 2012 Contract


I am not seeing any attachments. Where are you guys getting the above info? Thanks!

 

[The Drizzle]

Attachments:
MOU
Side Letter
APA 2012 Contract


I am not seeing any attachments. Where are you guys getting the above info? Thanks!

Had to get it off the USAPA website, but the server was getting crushed earlier. I had a friend email it to me.

 

[cbrown1]

I hear Horton is asking for another extension this time to April.