Another MOU agreed to at US Airways, if you believe it

[General Lee]

The East is gonna get pounded. Who will win out eventually? The Westies. There are tons of senior AA guys that will bail, along with plenty of old farts at the East. Throw in the NIC award which will legally have to be a part of this, and the Westies win hands down eventually, and USAPA is remembered as a skid mark at US.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Tweaker]

I would like to generously thank you fellows for refraining from quoting and reposting the dribble from the several FI trolls and goobers who have entered this thread.

A homebrew I pour for you!

 

[The Drizzle]

Pulled Pork Politburo

OK, that was funny.

 

[CavePilot]

Hush? YOU KNOW NOBODY ELSE HAS DISREGARDED A BINDING ARBITRATION AWARD. You know that. You hush. That side has NO honor. If you sign up for something, then follow through. What a bunch of jerks. Everyone should be ashamed of them. And how are the Westies guilty again? They followed through. They abided by the award. The only reason they didn't get to follow through fully is because they had fewer numbers than the East side. Tell me that is not true Cave. You can't.



Bye Bye---General Lee

First of all genitalia calm down. All I said was that pilot's on both sides of this and any merge/acquisition for that matter, will look out for themselves. Yes east took the low road, but it was the option they chose because they felt the ruling was unfair.

Don't feel the need to be the voice of the west. Everything that can ever be said about east/west has already been said. We can all just search the topic if any of us ever miss these ridiculous back and forths.

I now respectfully ask that you jam it in your a$$.

 

[cameltoad]

The reality is that this merger will be such a paradigm shift, no more USAir, no more USAPA, a whole new (huge) group of guys to consider. Right or wrong they are going to round file the NIC and start all over, defer to MCkaskill-Bond and reshuffle the deck. It's gonna be a big turd pie and we're all gonna have to take a bite!

 

[sean67]

The reality is that this merger will be such a paradigm shift, no more USAir, no more USAPA, a whole new (huge) group of guys to consider. Right or wrong they are going to round file the NIC and start all over, defer to MCkaskill-Bond and reshuffle the deck. It's gonna be a big turd pie and we're all gonna have to take a bite!

Agreed...But, what do I know....

 

[get2flyin]

The reality is that this merger will be such a paradigm shift, no more USAir, no more USAPA, a whole new (huge) group of guys to consider. Right or wrong they are going to round file the NIC and start all over, defer to MCkaskill-Bond and reshuffle the deck. It's gonna be a big turd pie and we're all gonna have to take a bite!

Swing and a miss.

 

[Turtle21]

The reality is that this merger will be such a paradigm shift, no more USAir, no more USAPA, a whole new (huge) group of guys to consider. Right or wrong they are going to round file the NIC and start all over, defer to MCkaskill-Bond and reshuffle the deck. It's gonna be a big turd pie and we're all gonna have to take a bite!

Agreed. A few ostriches will never pull their head out but dinner starts with the vote on the MOU. Big spoonfuls. A smorgasbord with good and bad, and a little extra bling all around will mitigate whatever ails you.

 

[abefly]

The reality is that this merger will be such a paradigm shift, no more USAir, no more USAPA, a whole new (huge) group of guys to consider. Right or wrong they are going to round file the NIC and start all over, defer to MCkaskill-Bond and reshuffle the deck. It's gonna be a big turd pie and we're all gonna have to take a bite!

How exactly do you round file the NIC? The NIC lives in the transition agreement between US east AND America West. The NIC will become active for the US Airways pilots once we are all on a Single contract.

We will all be on a single contract prior to any M/B arbitration. Hence the activation of the NIC. The NIC will then be the list the company sets forth to the arbitrator along with Americans seniority list.

The East still has the right to vote NO on any contract that will include the NIC. That is their option and I wouldn't be suprised if they do turn down a 60k dollar pay raise. However, once the NMB declares APA the barganing agent for all pilots. The East will be the minority an APA will vote a contract in for us all.

Now of course the transition agreement can be modified by the company and USAPA to include language other than the NIC for seniority. In my mind that would be great because of the damages that will be awarded to the west.

So basically there is no way around the NIC, unless of course USAPA can come up with a Legitimate Union Purpose for altering an agreed upon seniority list and an agreed upon transition agreement.

With or without the east the NIC will be the list. Get a contract now or wait 2 years. It's up to you. Is this clear yet? I'd be happy to explain over a beer.

 

[B-atch]

With or without the east the NIC will be the list. Get a contract now or wait 2 years. It's up to you. Is this clear yet? I'd be happy to explain over a beer.

Blah,blah,blah...Apparently you know more than the 9th CCOA and Jdg. Silver.
What, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Select last night??
Nic is a toxic TURD that would gum-up this merger. The APA doesn't want it...And whatever the APA wants, they will get.

 

[Turtle21]

Blah,blah,blah...Apparently you know more than the 9th CCOA and Jdg. Silver.
What, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Select last night??
Nic is a toxic TURD that would gum-up this merger. The APA doesn't want it...And whatever the APA wants, they will get.

No, he stayed at a Holliday Inn Express.

And you are correct. The Nic is already dead. No one is advocating for it accept for AOL, but they have no part in anything besides threats. No court has intervened to require USAPA to change its position on SLI, and no court will allow anything until after a JCBA is ratified. There is nothing, and no one, to resurrect the Nic, especially after everyone votes on an MOU that lays out MB as the method of SLI, rather than ALPA policy.

 

[B-atch]

Any word on when the MOU might surface??

 

[SXMp2c]

tomorrow night

 

[abefly]

No, he stayed at a Holliday Inn Express.

And you are correct. The Nic is already dead. No one is advocating for it accept for AOL, but they have no part in anything besides threats. No court has intervened to require USAPA to change its position on SLI, and no court will allow anything until after a JCBA is ratified. There is nothing, and no one, to resurrect the Nic, especially after everyone votes on an MOU that lays out MB as the method of SLI, rather than ALPA policy.

Is this what USAPA legal told you? Did either of you even read any of the court trancripts? Or do you rely on Pizza the Hutt for information?

You will see soon enough the NIC is alive and well. It is the ONLY seniority list at US AIRWAYS. DOH was DOA. The company never accepted it and they nver will. That is unless USAPA can come up with a Legitimate Union Purpose for harming the West Class at the Expense of the East.

 

[abefly]

Blah,blah,blah...Apparently you know more than the 9th CCOA and Jdg. Silver.
What, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Select last night??
Nic is a toxic TURD that would gum-up this merger. The APA doesn't want it...And whatever the APA wants, they will get.

You reall think APA wants to take on legal battles over a seniority list that doesn't effect them? I hope they do. They have a lot more assets for us to go after than USAPA.

I can't wait for another educated reply from an East pilot. They come up with such clever ways to avoid reality.

 

[PGTB]

What are the chances USAirways negotiates new payrates if the merger fails to happen?

 

[SXMp2c]

zero out of Zero

 

[jc3]

I hope we hear something tomorrow night, but I doubt it.

 

[SXMp2c]

Three-Week Delay in AA's Merger Decision
No decision on combining with US Airways expected this week
By Scott Gordon

Scott Gordon, NBC 5 News

The AMR Board of Directors is not expected to vote on a proposed merger with US Airways at its meeting this week, according to a person with knowledge of the high-level negotiations.

The board of directors of American Airlines' parent company, AMR Corp., was set to vote on a consensual merger with US Airways this week but asked for a three-week delay, a person with knowledge of the high-level negotiations told NBC 5.

The board meets on Wednesday.

The delay to better evaluate US Airways' offer would move the decision to the last week of January, the person said.

"I think they're not going to be able to stop it at this point," said Vicki Bryan, an analyst with Gimme Credit. "Just because American Airlines management team wants to delay it, that doesn't mean they'll be able to delay it."

Bryan was among the first to predict American Airlines' bankruptcy in November 2011.

Pilots, flight attendants and some creditors are already on board with a merger. By some estimates, a merged airline would be worth $1 billion more to creditors than a standalone airline.

Overnight, the new airline would become the world's largest.

"Everyone will be happy to see this process end and the future beginning," Bryan said. "Cobbling together a $40 billion airline is not something you knock together in a garage. It's a tough process."

Bryan said US Airways management would likely win control of the new company. Under this scenario, American Airlines CEO Tom Horton and other top executives would be pushed aside.

US Airways has said it would keep the American brand and keep its headquarters in Fort Worth.

Among the hurdles to a merger -- how much US Airways should pay and how much creditors should get.

US Airways offered creditors 70 percent equity in a new airline with 30 percent going to US Airways shareholders, analysts say. Creditors want 80 percent.

Whatever the final numbers, the growing consensus is a merger will happen soon, setting the stage for yet another battle.

"They've got their work cut out for them because Delta and United are not going to wait around for American Airlines to sort itself out," Bryan said. "They are going to step into a world-class competition on a scale no one has ever seen."

American Airlines spokesman Bruce Hicks declined to comment on the board meeting or even confirm the meeting was taking place.

 

[dollacrackho]

Jesus make up your effing minds enough of these freaking delays.