Another mandatory ASA letter from Tutt

[HoserASA]

where's the unions movement?

The union countered management's offer. Guess what, it's management's turn again. But until management makes a decent counter, the mediator will keep us parked.

Hoser

 

[scott hall]

We are done negotiating with your mec. ASA pilots are the worst I have ever worked with.

 

[Medeco]

where's the unions movement?

Guys,

Please dont buy this crap.

Remember, management is trying to lowere our expectations so that when there is movement it appears they are making great strides.

They proposed a sub par offer, well below what even skywest currently has.

Dont fall for this classic BS.

Medeco

 

[scott hall]

not trying to lower your expectations, just bring you back to reality. Mesa is the future. Do you want to be part of the future?

 

[scott hall]

I wonder where i am going to work when all of asa's planes are transferred to skywest. I may loose my job thanks to the short sighted and at asa

 

[goahead]

Did I miss something, when did Charlie say that the ramp was the pilots fault?

 

[ASADriver]

Why do you think it is OK for ASA pilots to work for less money that SkyWest and Chitauqua? Are we worth less than them? Instead of slamming ALPA for taking your job, explain why we should be paid less than everyone in the DCI family, with the exception of MESA.

We wouldn't be working for less than Skywest or Chitaqua pilots. Some areas would be better, and some would be worse. The 70 seat rate offered is much higher than the Skywest 70 seat rate. The 50 seat rate is lower. I would rather have the money in the 70 seat rate than in the 50 seat rate. The instructor section would be better than both Skywest and Chataqua I believe. Whether you like it or not, we do have to compete with the other DCI carriers and with Skywest.

 

[ASADriver]

Decent and Fair?

Then SKW has a Stellar and Unbelievable contract in comparison. This offer that you love so much doesn't even come close to our sister companys.

At max pay on the 50 we make $9 less an hour than a comperable SKW 50 seat pilot and that is not acceptable. They are short changing us about $2 an hour comparable to SKW pilots and that's OK to you? Not even going into the work rules.

Transfer the aircraft, THEY ARE NOT CHEAPER NOW OR EVEN IF WE WERE TO GET THE SAME RATES AS SKW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's just pathetic that you are happy here and are about this offer.

Their offers are sub SKW and that is pathetic.

The 50 seat rates are lower because we didn't want a paycut on the 70. The 70 rate is much higher than Skywest, and much higher than most other 70 seat rates. We also kept some of the instructor pay which probably cost us in 50 rates. Everything is give and take.

 

[ASADriver]

You'r truely a moron if you think that this is fair. They are basically trying to sell us CURRENT BOOK and tell us it's an improvement. Loss of premium pay? 1.60 for per diem? Scope protection that ONLY protect us if Skywest happens to be hiring? And while they probably will transfer aircraft, THEY HAVE NOT YET DONE SO. If you want a crappy contract then go apply somewhere that has one. Most of us won't settle for this cr@p.

You must be one of those that was expecting a huge raise. This deal is a payraise for me. Not much of one, but given the industry downturn, I wasn't expecting much in terms of money. If this deal was put to a vote, I bet it would pass.

 

[crjskipper]

my point hoser was the company at least posted their movement - where is the union response???

 

[scarlet]

and yes the union has to respond--we pay them alot of money and they better start neogiating or we will replace their A** next election buh bye REPS.. You guys that want a 5-10 raise ARE DREAMING go to airlinepilotcentral.com and look at rates at Jetblue, DL, CAL for 737s EMB 190...WAKE UP or take 100% paycut.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree the scope needs work and we do need 2.6% payraise yearly--they have saved that in the last 4 years. Also has to be some type of signing bonus for us not having raises for 4 years, but after that SOLVED!!! it took 30 seconds...

Whoever thinks the union should not respond should go to home depot and put their app. in...

 

[scarlet]

If they put 2.6% raise every year in there and fix scope like they know it needs to be fixed, and a 2000.00 singing bonus ..WE will vote on it..with the union or without them. THe union can decide what they want to do then!!!

 

[goahead]

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[John Pennekamp]

and yes the union has to respond--we pay them alot of money and they better start neogiating or we will replace their A** next election buh bye REPS.. You guys that want a 5-10 raise ARE DREAMING go to airlinepilotcentral.com and look at rates at Jetblue, DL, CAL for 737s EMB 190...WAKE UP or take 100% paycut.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree the scope needs work and we do need 2.6% payraise yearly--they have saved that in the last 4 years. Also has to be some type of signing bonus for us not having raises for 4 years, but after that SOLVED!!! it took 30 seconds...

Whoever thinks the union should not respond should go to home depot and put their app. in...

Are you going to step up to the plate and run for rep? Do you really think our reps love their VOLUNTARY UNPAID SECOND JOBS so much that they will continue to get beat up by the likes of YOU? You had better hope they keep their positions and not resign in disgust. You will not like their replacements. You will be the first to bit_h when the new contract sucks because management hijacked the MEC!

 

[atrdriver]

You must be one of those that was expecting a huge raise. This deal is a payraise for me. Not much of one, but given the industry downturn, I wasn't expecting much in terms of money. If this deal was put to a vote, I bet it would pass.

Good for you. It's a paycut for me, likely a 20% or so paycut. And I'm on the 50. And I'll bet it wouldn't pass. You don't seem to understand that everything that management has posted has hooks, that they didn't post. Just about every section has something in it that allows them room to wiggle out. Just like now. I am not looking for a huge payraise, but I am NOT GOING TO TAKE A PAYCUT FROM A 8 YEAR OLD CONTRACT!

 

[PCL_128]

The 50 seat rates are lower because we didn't want a paycut on the 70. The 70 rate is much higher than Skywest

Skywest doesn't even have a 70-seat payrate. They just fly 70-seaters for 50-seat rates. Not exactly an accurate comparison.

 

[jjlaw1]

The union did counter the companys offer. When the company ofered a .25% pay raise, the union offered the same thing. When the co. came back with the 1 to 2 % raise, the union countered with the same. So to answer the question, it is the companys turn to make another offer.

 

[ASADriver]

Good for you. It's a paycut for me, likely a 20% or so paycut. And I'm on the 50. And I'll bet it wouldn't pass. You don't seem to understand that everything that management has posted has hooks, that they didn't post. Just about every section has something in it that allows them room to wiggle out. Just like now. I am not looking for a huge payraise, but I am NOT GOING TO TAKE A PAYCUT FROM A 8 YEAR OLD CONTRACT!

How do you figure a 20% paycut! It is this kind of union misinformation that bothers some of us. Show me how this will be a 20% paycut. If you can show a 20% paycut, I would agree with you. I don't think we should take any paycut.

 

[ASADriver]

The union did counter the companys offer. When the company ofered a .25% pay raise, the union offered the same thing. When the co. came back with the 1 to 2 % raise, the union countered with the same. So to answer the question, it is the companys turn to make another offer.

OK, where is the unions counter. Put the d@mn information out for us to make informed decisions with. Show me the counter to this company offer. Many of us are losing patience with the union.

 

[crjskipper]

By that reasonning, it will take another 3 years to get a contract. Even if the company offer of a few percent on the 200 is not enough, the small raise on the 700 is reasonable. We are still top of the industry on the 700. Plus - we are still asking for furlough pretection and retirement. Is that reasonable? Why are we asking for things that noone esle has, and frankly dont work. Remember DAL furlough protection and retirement???

I agree the company offer is not yet where it needs to be, but does anyone think the current alpa proposal is close to reasonable?

All we were trying to do is get negotiations going again.

 

[601Pilot]

You must be one of those that was expecting a huge raise. This deal is a payraise for me. Not much of one, but given the industry downturn, I wasn't expecting much in terms of money. If this deal was put to a vote, I bet it would pass.

I'll take that bet! The current offer is ridiculous. Hopefully there was enough movement on our side to warrant a release. I'm ready to strike!

 

[scarlet]

If it is such a hard job-why do they always run again and again and again--Kind of like the Bush family. Lets lsee go fly a four day trip every week or go sit in a office for 2-3 days and be home all most every night. umh umh and not have to bid every month?

Well you guys stay the course while others leave and that is what people are doing LEAVING.

 

[scarlet]

601 you are ready for 100% paycut right! Smart ask the Northwest MX at the bar, hows life?

 

[scarlet]

Everyone I fly with is tired of being in the dark! The union needs to put something out that they gave the company, heck the pilots don't even know what the union is asking for these days. Yeah they posted something back in may and june. Even the pilot 2 pilot rep. don't know what to tell us. I flew with one and ask another, they don't know whats going on!!

 

[COOPERVANE]

No Premium=paycut!!

Mgmt Is Not Afraid Of Us. What Did It Take TO GET IT DONE During The Last Contract?

 

[ASADriver]

I'll take that bet! The current offer is ridiculous. Hopefully there was enough movement on our side to warrant a release. I'm ready to strike!

I guess you didn't read the union update did you? We were parked again. The union update didn't include the union's counter offer - why not? If the company put out their offer, why is ALPA afraid to publish the counter offer?

 

[atrdriver]

How do you figure a 20% paycut! It is this kind of union misinformation that bothers some of us. Show me how this will be a 20% paycut. If you can show a 20% paycut, I would agree with you. I don't think we should take any paycut.

In an average year premium is 23% of my overall pay. The companies proposal does away with premium. You figure it out.

 

[PCL_128]

Lets lsee go fly a four day trip every week or go sit in a office for 2-3 days and be home all most every night. umh umh and not have to bid every month?

Wow. You really are clueless.

 

[atrdriver]

OK, where is the unions counter. Put the d@mn information out for us to make informed decisions with. Show me the counter to this company offer. Many of us are losing patience with the union.

And that right there is the problem. This management team has been screwing the pilots for the past 4 years, and you are losing patience with the union. That just tells everyone that you are either a management shill or not too bright.

 

[atrdriver]

Everyone I fly with is tired of being in the dark! The union needs to put something out that they gave the company, heck the pilots don't even know what the union is asking for these days. Yeah they posted something back in may and june. Even the pilot 2 pilot rep. don't know what to tell us. I flew with one and ask another, they don't know whats going on!!

That's amazing. Everyone that I fly with is sick of the companies cr@p, and is ready to walk if it is necessary.