Another mandatory ASA letter from Tutt

[Palerider957]

What an f'in joke......just remember, ASA mgmt. will NEVER sign a contract they can't readily violate.

Someone said the scheduling section looked good? If that were the case, ASA would have to keep hiring tons of pilots to adequately staff. Proper staffing has never been a priority at ASA, don't expect it to be now.

ASA pilots need to be EXTREMELY careful in ratifying any new contract.

 

[ASARJMan]

I get the feeling some ALPA people don't really want a deal unless it has everything they want. Meanwhile it looks like the aircraft will be transferred to Skywest. Way to go ALPA - thanks for taking my money and my job.

"My job"! You friggin' crybaby! Sorry but the majority want a decent and fair contract, and will settle for nothing less! Go apply at Skywest.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[ASADriver]

Why are people leaving ASA to go to Skywest? Obviously, the job is more important than a contract or ALPA. Wake up ALPA! Will ALPA not be happy until all our jobs are transferred to Skywest?

 

[ASADriver]

"My job"! You friggin' crybaby! Sorry but the majority want a decent and fair contract, and will settle for nothing less! Go apply at Skywest.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

This offer is decent and fair. Only you hardliners don't think so. Skywest is transferring aircraft. Maybe you should leave if you aren't happy here. Many of us are.

 

[ASARJMan]

Obviously, the job is more important than a contract or ALPA. Wake up ALPA!

The job is the contract, and vice versa. How do you think you're getting that great salary in the training department, because of ALPA that's how. Hey, you have a 73 rating. Go apply to SWA. Crybaby.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Palerider957]

The job is the contract, and vice versa. How do you think you're getting that great salary in the training department, because of ALPA that's how. Hey, you have a 73 rating. Go apply to SWA. Crybaby.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

.....too many DUI's.....

 

[ASARJMan]

This offer is decent and fair. Only you hardliners don't think so. Skywest is transferring aircraft. Maybe you should leave if you aren't happy here. Many of us are.

This offer blows, and is not fair. Has your cost of living been going up lately, health care costing more, gas, food etc etc? Anyway, I'm not leaving, but you should because the majority have told the MEC what we want. And, it ain't what this sorry management is offering.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Bizjet]

I have to say that is was GREAT to SEE ANYTHING at this POINT !!! I have to say that is was not to bad,, 401k monthly--1 to 2 duty rig (better than airtran) 2 day trip TAFB 12:00 mini would be 6 hours pay....

We do need more in pay like 2.6% yearly--we have not had this in 4 years so they saved alot of money!!!

I have talked to alot of people and they would be happy with their current pay rate but need 2.6% raise and I think people would vote this in....

11 days off

What is the union saying that they purposed??? I am voting everyone out of the union next election just as in the national election....

Why don't you just resign in protest. Maybe hold your breath until you turn blue.

 

[ASADriver]

The job is the contract, and vice versa. How do you think you're getting that great salary in the training department, because of ALPA that's how. Hey, you have a 73 rating. Go apply to SWA. Crybaby.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

I'm not in the training department, but none of us are going to be getting a salary if our aircraft are transferred to Skywest. I'm not the crybaby, sounds like you are. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to work here.

 

[Bizjet]

I get the feeling some ALPA people don't really want a deal unless it has everything they want. Meanwhile it looks like the aircraft will be transferred to Skywest. Way to go ALPA - thanks for taking my money and my job.

Give it a break you whiner. Why don't you take your free 737 Type and go fly for Iraq's national carrier. Please resign from the union before your disease spreads to the rest of the group. uke:

 

[ASACAPT]

I'm not in the training department, but none of us are going to be getting a salary if our aircraft are transferred to Skywest. I'm not the crybaby, sounds like you are. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to work here.

Why do you think it is OK for ASA pilots to work for less money that SkyWest and Chitauqua? Are we worth less than them? Instead of slamming ALPA for taking your job, explain why we should be paid less than everyone in the DCI family, with the exception of MESA.

 

["GO AROUND"]

This offer is decent and fair. Only you hardliners don't think so. Skywest is transferring aircraft. Maybe you should leave if you aren't happy here. Many of us are.

Decent and Fair?

Then SKW has a Stellar and Unbelievable contract in comparison. This offer that you love so much doesn't even come close to our sister companys.

At max pay on the 50 we make $9 less an hour than a comperable SKW 50 seat pilot and that is not acceptable. They are short changing us about $2 an hour comparable to SKW pilots and that's OK to you? Not even going into the work rules.

Transfer the aircraft, THEY ARE NOT CHEAPER NOW OR EVEN IF WE WERE TO GET THE SAME RATES AS SKW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's just pathetic that you are happy here and are about this offer.

Their offers are sub SKW and that is pathetic.

 

[atrdriver]

Well, devils advocate.......at least the company made some significant movement. This is really quite a step from where they were. So, now it seems ALPA is the one not moving. What items are we sticking on? Hopefully not the retirement. The pay seems at least better. Maybe not what we 'want', but better. They moved on quite a few items. Unfortunately we are back where we were, which is nowhere because the mediator bagged it again. Can't get this done guys if we aren't talking!

No, it's really NOT a terribly significant movement. Just about everything that they are "offering" has somekind of hook in it, either in some other concession, or in language that would basically neuter it. Their "proposal" that they posted isn't a fabrication, but they are only reporting the parts of it that make them look good, not the whole story. Big difference.

 

[atrdriver]

Duty rig 2:1 except CDO's. Min pay was 3.75 except CDO's.

Pref bid has it's advantages and disadvantages. It will save the company some bucks. They are moving in the right direction, pref bid looks to be the hang up. I'd roll with it though for the duty rigs and min pay.

I have a hard time believing they are demanding retirement pay though. Why in the hell would anyone want retirement from an airline? A judge can toss it quicker than you can bat an eye. Give me the good 401K.

So far as the pay, how much more do the majors pay for to fly an airplane with 20 extra seats? Bet it's not much either.

A rig that excludes CDO's? That's pretty stupid. And you want a better 401K? We are trying to get that, and teh company isn't interested in making it any better. And their payraises on the 50 seater go anywhere from .25% to .5%. WOW! Like I said before, the company isn't putting ALL their cards on teh table, they are putting only the cards that make them look good on the table.

 

[atrdriver]

1 to 2 duty rig (better than airtran) 2 day trip TAFB 12:00 mini would be 6 hours pay....

WRONG. A 2:1 DUTY rig means that for an 8 duty day you have to get paid 4 hours. Does NOTHING for TAFB. So a 3 day trip could pay 11.25, a 5 day trip could pay just 18.75. You REALLY think that's a good thing?

 

[atrdriver]

This offer is decent and fair. Only you hardliners don't think so. Skywest is transferring aircraft. Maybe you should leave if you aren't happy here. Many of us are.

You'r truely a moron if you think that this is fair. They are basically trying to sell us CURRENT BOOK and tell us it's an improvement. Loss of premium pay? 1.60 for per diem? Scope protection that ONLY protect us if Skywest happens to be hiring? And while they probably will transfer aircraft, THEY HAVE NOT YET DONE SO. If you want a crappy contract then go apply somewhere that has one. Most of us won't settle for this cr@p.

 

[ASARJMan]

I'm not in the training department, but none of us are going to be getting a salary if our aircraft are transferred to Skywest. I'm not the crybaby, sounds like you are. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to work here.

Are you the one with all the DUIs then, that got the free 737 rating, that let the job you used to hold go to your head, and then lsot that job? Afraid of what your pay will be now that you don't have that job? No crybaby here ma'am, jusy willing to fight for a fair and decent agreement. What have you done to help the ASA pilots achieve that?

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Turkey Shoot]

A rig that excludes CDO's? That's pretty stupid. And you want a better 401K? We are trying to get that, and teh company isn't interested in making it any better. And their payraises on the 50 seater go anywhere from .25% to .5%. WOW! Like I said before, the company isn't putting ALL their cards on teh table, they are putting only the cards that make them look good on the table.

God bless all you guys, but you are some militant people. I guess four years has warped some of the perspective. It almost appears the house will regardless of what the company puts on the table. Why comppanies drag out negotiations like this does nothing but feed fuel to the fire.

Hey it could be worse though, you could be at Mesa or Trans Mistakes. ASA is a walk in the park by comparison. I guess thats what moderates me a little bit since I have seen the "Dark Side" and it is Hulas.

BTW, I think Tutt is a snake oil salesman for the record. To blame pilots for problems on the ramp is over the top and certainly demonstrates there issues with perspective at that level too. Significant ones.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I have to say that is was GREAT to SEE ANYTHING at this POINT !!! I have to say that is was not to bad,, 401k monthly--1 to 2 duty rig (better than airtran) 2 day trip TAFB 12:00 mini would be 6 hours pay....

We do need more in pay like 2.6% yearly--we have not had this in 4 years so they saved alot of money!!!

I have talked to alot of people and they would be happy with their current pay rate but need 2.6% raise and I think people would vote this in....

11 days off

What is the union saying that they purposed??? I am voting everyone out of the union next election just as in the national election....

Unless you're an elected rep, you don't get to vote in the national election. Educate yourself before you shoot your mouth off.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I get the feeling some ALPA people don't really want a deal unless it has everything they want. Meanwhile it looks like the aircraft will be transferred to Skywest. Way to go ALPA - thanks for taking my money and my job.

I if one single aircraft is transfered, it is straight retaliation because management didn't get what they want, not because ALPA didn't cave. If you want to thank someone for that, thank management shills like yourself who cheer them on. Did you get a raise last year, Biscuit? How does $0.26 per hour sound? That's what they offered senior CR7 captains! Gimme a break.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Why are people leaving ASA to go to Skywest? Obviously, the job is more important than a contract or ALPA. Wake up ALPA! Will ALPA not be happy until all our jobs are transferred to Skywest?

Boy, you really have your head up your rectum. Most of the pilots leaving for Skywest are junior SLC FOs or West Coast Commuters. Duh! Don't get out of the GO much?

 

[79%N1]

Guy, guys....calm down. I don't mean to imply I am for this offer. I said the company has at least moved ---- which is a hugh step for them because they never seem to ---- and I only wish we could keep going with mediated talks, which is the only way this can get done. I am hoping that our side is willing to keep moving, and not stalling now holding out for some unreasonable things. Yes, the scope is unacceptable, as is instructor pay. Pay rates are at least getting closer, and no retro is obviously a sticking point. It will be interesting to hear the other side of the story. We need to keep prodding both sides to finish this, before we miss the boat here!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Guy, guys....calm down. I don't mean to imply I am for this offer. I said the company has at least moved ---- which is a hugh step for them because they never seem to ---- and I only wish we could keep going with mediated talks, which is the only way this can get done. I am hoping that our side is willing to keep moving, and not stalling now holding out for some unreasonable things. Yes, the scope is unacceptable, as is instructor pay. Pay rates are at least getting closer, and no retro is obviously a sticking point. It will be interesting to hear the other side of the story. We need to keep prodding both sides to finish this, before we miss the boat here!

What boat? You mean the phantom growth? Management wants you to be persuaded by their false sense or urgency. Comair already fell for that one. Don't do it. There's only growth when it shows up on the ramp.

 

["GO AROUND"]

God bless all you guys, but you are some militant people. I guess four years has warped some of the perspective. It almost appears the house will regardless of what the company puts on the table. Why comppanies drag out negotiations like this does nothing but feed fuel to the fire.

Hey it could be worse though, you could be at Mesa or Trans Mistakes. ASA is a walk in the park by comparison. I guess thats what moderates me a little bit since I have seen the "Dark Side" and it is Hulas.

BTW, I think Tutt is a snake oil salesman for the record. To blame pilots for problems on the ramp is over the top and certainly demonstrates there issues with perspective at that level too. Significant ones.

Once a waterskier, always a waterskier. I was there in 99-00 and went through the 2 strike deadlines. I have seen the dark side and it is hard to say that our managment team is approaching on Hulas territory, but they are.

That is why I came to ASA and now things are like they were at TSA then.

Brian Labreque is the one who blamed pilot issues and mtc write ups for the disaster that is ATL. Then when he couldn't sell it he took the blame for it.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Guy, guys....calm down. I don't mean to imply I am for this offer. I said the company has at least moved ---- which is a hugh step for them because they never seem to ---- and I only wish we could keep going with mediated talks, which is the only way this can get done. I am hoping that our side is willing to keep moving, and not stalling now holding out for some unreasonable things. Yes, the scope is unacceptable, as is instructor pay. Pay rates are at least getting closer, and no retro is obviously a sticking point. It will be interesting to hear the other side of the story. We need to keep prodding both sides to finish this, before we miss the boat here!

Yeah, they moved. Everything around, but it is still a concessionary contract. Especially compared to SKW and the others we compare to.

Moving up from concessions is not moving. They are trying to sell current contract items as movement. We aren't going to negotiate for something we already have today. The offer still sucks and the mediator knows it.

Ask managment what the difference in the perf. plus plans is between ASA and SKW.

SKW is paid based on their gross income and ASA will be paid based on our base income. All the while tied to a PBS system that, if these negotiations are any indicator, will never get done in 18 mnths.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Once a waterskier, always a waterskier. I was there in 99-00 and went through the 2 strike deadlines. I have seen the dark side and it is hard to say that our managment team is approaching on Hulas territory, but they are.

That is why I came to ASA and now things are like they were at TSA then.

Brian Labreque is the one who blamed pilot issues and mtc write ups for the disaster that is ATL. Then when he couldn't sell it he took the blame for it.

The Waterski Washouts are everywhere. For such a small company, I run across alot of them. Looks like the list may be down to around 500 here soon. I'm glad to be gone, but there certainly shades of Hulas here. Pilots being blamed for the ramp situation is pure crap and disregards for the blantantly obvious.

 

[ASARJMan]

All the while tied to a PBS system that, if these negotiations are any indicator, will never get done in 18 mnths.

Excellent point my man!

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[crjskipper]

where's the unions movement?

 

[jehtplane]

Why are people leaving ASA to go to Skywest? Obviously, the job is more important than a contract or ALPA. Wake up ALPA! Will ALPA not be happy until all our jobs are transferred to Skywest?

Ah, management tool!!!

 

[Sinca3]

Guy, guys....calm down. I don't mean to imply I am for this offer. I said the company has at least moved ---- which is a hugh step for them because they never seem to ---- and I only wish we could keep going with mediated talks, which is the only way this can get done. I am hoping that our side is willing to keep moving, and not stalling now holding out for some unreasonable things. Yes, the scope is unacceptable, as is instructor pay. Pay rates are at least getting closer, and no retro is obviously a sticking point. It will be interesting to hear the other side of the story. We need to keep prodding both sides to finish this, before we miss the boat here!

79%,
There is a difference in movement from side to side and forward!
As for ALPA response....this meeting was for the mediator to see where the two sides were. It was NOT a negotiations session, therefore the union does NOT have to respond to this offer. This is the position the company has come to after 3 months of wasted time. Our union still requires many improvements that the company has not addressed....all they´ve done is move things around to look like they have moved.
Nothing has been accomplished....We are still in the same position....Until ASA pilots start putting pressure on the company NOTHING will ever get done.
Do your job, only your job, don´`t call for services, don´t use your cell phone, do all these things inconvience the pax and you the crew? Yes but until we suck it up and start putting pressure on the company to get this done we will remain here wasting time!
WAKE UP ASA