Another degree question

[CaptainMark]

ljdrvr....congrats on the soon to be completion of your degree..

 

[JSky26]

dang man, 1100 hours at 21!! That's quite the accomplishment dude!!....not to be rude or anything but did you have any sort of childhood outside of aviation...just curious?

But on to your question....I'd agree with most on this board. Go get the degree...airplanes aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

Get drunk, get laid, that's what college is for...you're too young to pass that up.

 

[LXJ31]

Congrats Falcon Jet one, you also appear to gifted with discipline that others do not have, and you successfully completed your part time degree while flying. You are a role model. BTW how much debt did you run up going to college?

My God, YIP, you are obsessed with a dollar amount on a degree; how expensive is it not to have it in lost opportunities?

I finished my BS from UVSC's online program this semester. I did 5 semesters (had some prior college credits) and on average it was around $2600 per. Some interesting classes, a few boring ones and overall very good use of my time and money.

www.uvsc.edu

Worth doing if you are a self-starter. If you need someone to remind you to turn work in or constant feedback, its probably not for you. Can be frustrating working out administrative stuff via phone tag.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

Rightly or wrongly, a 4-year degree is a virtual prerequisite to almost any decent flying job you'll ever come across. True, there are some guys who don't have a Bachelor's degree who nevertheless made it into the majors, but if you ask them, most will admit that they benefited from other factors (exceptional experience, military service, connections within the company, etc.) in their search for employment. Most of them know their success is something of an anomoly, and will implore you to finish your education at whatever cost.

My advice would be to take the jet job, and start building turbine time and a dependable work record. But as soon as you've settled in to your new position, start taking classes online. Embry-Riddle would be an excellent school for doing that, and layovers would be an excellent time for doing it.

BTW - Don't regard the last 2 years of college as a mere "formality," especially if you're majoring in Aviation. The skills you learn will come in useful throughout your career. Correcting the grammar and punctuation in your Captain's trip reports, for example...

Your whole future lies ahead of you. Trust me, it will be far easier to finish the degree now, than to explain umpteen-thousand times over the next 40+ years why you don't have one.

 

[pilotyip]

I see some good advice here. Get your degree seems to be the theme of this thread. However it looks like the option of how to do it is open to you. YKeep in mind you will have better job offers in the future with more quality flight time. Keep your flying job, do the degree on side.

 

[TAWS]

Take the Job, don't do the Embry Riddle thing - too expensive, do a UVSC or other cheaper one, accumulate hours, stay focused. I held a full time job (non-aviation), instructed part time (as much as possible), had twins at the time all this was going on and went to school (15 credit hours one semester, 12 the others) to finish up. You need to be able to study while the others are having a good time in the bar - if this is not you, go to school full time. If you don't have the degree, you will hit a brick wall somewhere - nobody cares where you got it!!
GOOD LUCK!!
By the way, my marriage survived, twins are fine and I graduated Magna!!

 

[B1900FO]

dang man, 1100 hours at 21!! That's quite the accomplishment dude!!....not to be rude or anything but did you have any sort of childhood outside of aviation...just curious?

Nope, I really didin't. Had some issues on the homefront during my teenage years so aviation became my "teddy bear" if you get what I mean...

The advice means alot guys, I appreciate it. I may not even get the job, and if I don't get the job I'm going back to school, but if I do get the job I am going to ask for a day to think about it and make a decision. The problem is, the gr*************** looks greener on the college side as well as the Beechjet side.

 

[Acefaser]

Over 98% of pilots hired at majors have a 4 year degree.

 

[pilotyip]

Check the figures

Ace, according to the figures put out by Air Inc, the numbers guys, 10% of pilots hired by SWA last year did not have degrees, 15% of the pilots hired at Jet Blue did not have 4 yr degrees, and 12% of the pilots hired a Air Train did not have 4 yr degrees. But I guess they are not real majors that have the 98% purity.

 

[LJDRVR]

Yip,

You're missing the point! Beating the odds won't happen if you don't get called for the interview! I have apps in at all three of the places you mention, and they have yet to call.

Here's another stat for you: 1000% of all new hires at UPS and FedEx have the degree.

IF your career goal is flying for the majors or fortune 100 corporate, not getting the degree is a severe handicap.

 

[skiddriver]

If all you ever want to do is fly, and you don't mind not having the option to apply at companies that require a 4 year degree (which includes some coporate outfits), then go get the best flying job you can and follow the Yip route.

If you want to have something to fall back on if your career desires change, or if it gets changed for you (lost medical, family tragedy, etc.), or if you want to maximize the number of companies you can work for as a pilot - get the degree.

My feeling is that you never know what the future will bring, so keep as many arrows in your quiver as you can. As Yip pointed out, some folks beat the odds and get hired at their dream job without a degree even when most folks have one. You've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya?

 

[pilotyip]

LDJ are you a part 121 checkairman?, that seems to be something that puts the non-college grads accross the hump

 

[AC560]

Ace, according to the figures put out by Air Inc, the numbers guys, 10% of pilots hired by SWA last year did not have degrees, 15% of the pilots hired at Jet Blue did not have 4 yr degrees, and 12% of the pilots hired a Air Train did not have 4 yr degrees. But I guess they are not real majors that have the 98% purity.

So instead of 2% being hired without degrees at best 15% are hired without degrees. Seems to support the nototion that if you really desire to fly for the majors you would be best served with a degree.

 

[pilotyip]

Statistics?

But what we don't know is the degreed/non-degreed hiring percentages. If 95% of the pilot applying have 4 yr college degrees and 90% of the pilot being hiried have 4 yr degrees, that would mean the 5% of non-degreed pilots are getting 10% of the jobs, so the probability as percentage of the total population would favor the non-degreed guy applying for the job. But we do not know the mix between degreed and non-degreed applying. Could it be the non-degreed pilot does not apply until super qualified and the degreed guy applies right after college graduation. Statistics are funny things. We just don't know.

 

[CaptainMark]

the other 5% and 10% have a 2 year degree....give it up yip...

 

[pilotyip]

Not fair Mark, the parameters have already been defined as possession of a 4-yr. degree and non-possession of a 4-yr. degree. All other sets are not accepted. BTW almost everyone has some college.

 

[Acefaser]

Ace, according to the figures put out by Air Inc, the numbers guys, 10% of pilots hired by SWA last year did not have degrees, 15% of the pilots hired at Jet Blue did not have 4 yr degrees, and 12% of the pilots hired a Air Train did not have 4 yr degrees. But I guess they are not real majors that have the 98% purity.

Most major companies use online resume and applications now. Most pilots are picked from a computer generated list that scans your application and the more 'hits' you get the better your chances. The 4 year degree is just another box to check that will increase your chances for the job. It also is nice to have for something to fall back on. My AirInc. stats for 2004 show 96% of pilots interviewed had a four year degree. Looking back from year to year the percent changes. It looks like the more pilots hired/year = less with degree. Makes sense, less hiring = airlines more picky. How many pilots were hired by jetBlue, Southwest, and Airtran last year? Just hope the airlines are on a hiring spree if you don't have a four year degree.

 

[pilotyip]

Ace, your numbers show you have a better chance of being hired without a college degree. If Air Inc says 96% of the pilots interviewing have college degrees and then Air Inc publishes figure showing 15% non 4 yr degree at Air Tran, SWA, and JB etc. It means 4% of the pilots interviewing are getting 15% of jobs. (Don't tell'em you have degree it may improve your chances of getting a job, only kidding) Remember on this board if you don't have 4 yr degree you are looked down upon by those who have elected to deem the 4 yr degree as the only correct path to success in life.

 

[CaptainMark]

Remember on this board if you don't have 4 yr degree you are looked down upon by those who have elected to deem the 4 yr degree as the only correct path to success in life.

what a bunch of crap....u know we never said that...some asked the question if they had better chance of getting to the majors with or without a degree...we simply stated your chances are much better to get a higher paying job with one...noone looks down upon anyone...u r starting to make idiotic and untrue statements....what gives?

 

[Spicepilots]

Ace, your numbers show you have a better chance of being hired without a college degree. If Air Inc says 96% of the pilots interviewing have college degrees and then Air Inc publishes figure showing 15% non 4 yr degree at Air Tran, SWA, and JB etc. It means 4% of the pilots interviewing are getting 15% of jobs. (Don't tell'em you have degree it may improve your chances of getting a job, only kidding) Remember on this board if you don't have 4 yr degree you are looked down upon by those who have elected to deem the 4 yr degree as the only correct path to success in life.

I'd be wary of using any kind of statistics to base my decision upon. I remember that the big elite state school that I first enrolled in claimed in all it's propaganda that it had a 100% retention rate; that figure was even quoted in U.S. News & World Report's college guide. Now, no school could possibly have a 100% retention rate, and when I decided to transfer from it, I found how they arrived at that number: nobody could tell me how to withdraw. Not the registrar, not the bursar, not even my college's dean. There was simply no process for it, so I basically didn't sign up for any more courses, and they didn't send me any more bills. Since they didn't have a process for it, they didn't track it, and they just claimed that nobody left/dropped out/transferred/got abducted by aliens. Statistics mean squat.

The point is, who cares how often pilots with no degree get hired at their dream jobs? When your chosen airline goes the way of TWA, and you get furloughed, it's gonna suck getting your degree at age 40, and without it, good luck getting a job that will continue to support you in the lifestyle to which you have become accustomed.