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EX_CV580FR8Dawg

EX_CV580FR8Dawg

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63 more on the street...

Thanks for destroying the company ********************finger you ********************stick... how long will it take before BAA realizes they effed up????

substandard wages and the first to furlough and the most... $hitfinger did more to hurt this company than the economy has.... what a joke
 
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How many pilots does Flops have? (active and furloughed)

Just curious...having a good thought for those affected.
 
glasspilot said:
How many pilots does Flops have? (active and furloughed)

Just curious...having a good thought for those affected.
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don't quote me, but last i looked there were 500+ maybe 4-500 anyhow. It would be hard to believe that FLOPs was almost 1,000 strong before $hithead took over.
 
Is FLOPS coming unglued or is this a way of saving some cash-self preservation??

very sorry to hear this, I can't even imagine how you guys must feel right now.
 
CALRepublic said:
Is FLOPS coming unglued or is this a way of saving some cash-self preservation??

very sorry to hear this, I can't even imagine how you guys must feel right now.
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Some is due to slow down but much of this is posturing for negotiations. Friends in scheduling tell me that we are not a slow as Tyler is wanting us to believe and we are selling off a boat load of charter, charter that could still be serviced by our jets and crews. These furloughs help to paint the sky is falling tone as we are moving into the final financial phase of negotiations. Shortly after completion of the contract they will miraculously find a way to bring a large number of our guys back. Playing games with peoples lives.

Thanks Ford & Harrison you sh!tbags.:angryfire
 
SilverSurfer said:
Some is due to slow down but much of this is posturing for negotiations. Friends in scheduling tell me that we are not a slow as Tyler is wanting us to believe and we are selling off a boat load of charter, charter that could still be serviced by our jets and crews. These furloughs help to paint the sky is falling tone as we are moving into the final financial phase of negotiations. Shortly after completion of the contract they will miraculously find a way to bring a large number of our guys back. Playing games with peoples lives.

Thanks Ford & Harrison you sh!tbags.:angryfire
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and i bet those jagbags at F&H advised middle and upper mgt to take pay cuts as well to show solidarity in keeping the company afloat!
 
I love how were the lowest paid, stay in crappier hotels, have the worst medical, waste more on plane paint jobs ( if they still have paint on them), yet we still lay off 167 pilots. This just dosen't add up.
 
Really sorry to hear the news. I just wanted to offer my support. Hope it will be a short time away.
 
FWIW, add my condolences to the pile. This really $uck$ for those kicked to the curb and has to have the remaining crews concerned about their future. Although like others here I too suspect this is more posturing by the Company to help their position in the contract negotiations. I hope everything works out for all you guys and wish that there was more I could do.
 
Agreed, "Hold the Line".

I too suspect this is more posturing by the Company to help their position in the contract negotiations.

Don't give up now.
 
Semore Butts said:
I too suspect this is more posturing by the Company to help their position in the contract negotiations.

Don't give up now.
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I suspected this too but... I know a guy who is pretty connected with the used aircraft market and he told me HIG was looking to get a handle on how much $$ they would get if they liquidated the FLOPs fleet. I initially thought he was full of $hit but I'm thinking it may not be too far fetched.
 
skyismyoffice said:
I suspected this too but... I know a guy who is pretty connected with the used aircraft market and he told me HIG was looking to get a handle on how much $$ they would get if they liquidated the FLOPs fleet. I initially thought he was full of $hit but I'm thinking it may not be too far fetched.
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after i saw what the did to Gemini, I thought maybe we would be next on the chopping block. Only time will tell.
 
EX_CV580FR8Dawg said:
after i saw what the did to Gemini, I thought maybe we would be next on the chopping block. Only time will tell.
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Different animal. Gemini leased their planes and HIG didn't get any money from any sale as there was no sale of the planes. They were simply returned to the leasing company. HIG didn't shut down Gemini. Gemini's inept management shut down Gemini. Inept management....now there's something FLOPS has in common with Gemini.
 
waka said:
Different animal. Gemini leased their planes and HIG didn't get any money from any sale as there was no sale of the planes. They were simply returned to the leasing company. HIG didn't shut down Gemini. Gemini's inept management shut down Gemini. Inept management....now there's something FLOPS has in common with Gemini.
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Good point Waka....The Blind leading the Blind?
 
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skyismyoffice said:
... I know a guy who is pretty connected with the used aircraft market and he told me HIG was looking to get a handle on how much $$ they would get if they liquidated the FLOPs fleet. I initially thought he was full of $hit but I'm thinking it may not be too far fetched.
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waka said:
Different animal. Gemini leased their planes and HIG didn't get any money from any sale as there was no sale of the planes. They were simply returned to the leasing company...
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FWIW, Flops doesn't own very many of their airplanes either, mostly the owners do, so the bulk of the money would go to them if they were sold, not HIG.

waka said:
...Inept management....now there's something FLOPS has in common with Gemini.
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So true !!!
 
FWIW, 1400 EST on flightware shows a pretty high demand time/day:

Aircraft airborne:

EJA: 57
OPT: 22
FIV: 16
LJX/BJS: 15

The demand still looks "good."
 
jonjuan said:
FWIW, 1400 EST on flightware shows a pretty high demand time/day:

Aircraft airborne:

EJA: 57
OPT: 22
FIV: 16
LJX/BJS: 15

The demand still looks "good."
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True that!!! but......
Do you know how much is live and how much is actual live legs?
 

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