ANG F-16 from Andrews

[LearLove]

"I appreciate your version and never mind hearing all the interesting rumors of that night. Keep the stories coming....."

My version...Just relaying what I was told, thanks for clearing it up. Its been years since I've talked with the ANG pilot that told me this the same goes for the ANG crew chief however I do see the helo pilot quite often and will tell him what you said.

I did hear about the loss of jobs/retirements and also herd a rumor that the unit was "threatened" with loosing the f-16s and getting the C-130 if things didn't change. Can you shed any info on that rumor?

Anyway now that thats cleared up how about the skinny on this:

"Unfortunately, He had some incriminating evidence of very senior state officers doing very junior enlisted girls."

 

[Slim177]

As a disclaimer I must state that I never witnessed MG Cosgrave with his penis inside her vagina. Otherwise they have both admitted to me of their ongoing affair. MG Cosgrave couldn't even give a statement recently about his long and not so discrete affair with an enlisted girl. He had to take the fifth and beg the state privately to pay a junior officer hush money to make the allegations go away. Also, the Front seater was having an affair with an enlisted girl in our unit. They perjuried themselves multiple times and the girl finally was divorced from her husband that was a crew chief in the unit. The crew chief found out as the children grew up and didn't look like him that he was not the father. Then she filed for child support because the married pilot was the father of some of her children. The wing commander protected the front seater from many instances of discipline. The flight commanders, squadron ops officer and squadron commander all wanted to ground him on numerous occasions. The wing commander always intervened on his behalf. Only after the crash, when the USAF uncovered all the wing commanders heinous actions did the four star step in. I'm working on selling the story to hollywood! It is amazing because it is true. If you only use the sworn testimony it makes a great story of ego and corruption and blackmail.


With that said,

The new leadership is finally that-Leadership. The unit is a great unit that has got a commander who has morals and the courage to do what is right.

The USAF has tried to bury this because it affects the morale and discipline of the troops if the senior officers can do anything they want and continue to abuse the system.

PS The F-16s were never in jeopardy! We had just completed an ORI and was one of the highest rated. The men and women in the unit were and are some of the best. We just had some corrupt leadership.

The january 1997 incident with Nations Air is another story. Our new female F-16 pilot and Gov Christine Whitman. Can you figure why they blamed it on an elisted navy seaman in norfolk. The two F-16s did a great job of knowingly intercepting a civilian airliner. We felt they should both be fired. Not in that political world. They both got promotions. BTW, she now flys for United!

 

[Slim177]

Also, please do thank the helo pilots! The two guys who were saved were so ashamed of their conduct that when the helo crew came to the unit for a 50th anniversary party the survivors shunned them. Pretty **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty behavior towards the guys who saved your life. I remember meeting them and thanking them, but I will never get over the fact that the guys they rescued never said thanks!

 

[RJP]

Ah....the guard. What a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing joke.

 

[AA717driver]

Thanks for speaking out, Slim. Can't wait for the movie. I love Hollywood flying scenes. So realistic.TC

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Slim,

Interesting recount. Are you the Slim from "The Unknown Rider" written by the late Scott Anderson? Do you know Rick W?

-Neal

 

[Slim177]

Yes I am!


I was the one who went to flight school and F-16 RTU with Rick. It was a priveldge to know Ando and all the great guys from Duluth. Rick W. and Scott V. are still two of the best around, now that I retired..............

 

[ultrarunner]

The pilot squeezed off 25 rounds into the roof of the school. Just curious to see what ramifications may happen to the pilot, hopefuly nothing.

He'll be at Delta when they start hiring again. It'll be one of those "...tell us about a time when..."

 

[ultrarunner]

Good point

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Yes I am!


I was the one who went to flight school and F-16 RTU with Rick. It was a priveldge to know Ando and all the great guys from Duluth. Rick W. and Scott V. are still two of the best around, now that I retired..............

Slim,

Its a really funny story how I met Rick and then he put me in touch with Scott. I had previously read Scott's book (5 times) so getting a chance to talk to both of them was an incredible experience. I lost touch with Rick but did get a chance to talk to him after he punched out of the jet prior to attending FWS (not sure if he ever had a chance to attend). Do you ever talk to him? Have an email address by chance?

-Neal

-Neal