Rez O. Lewshun
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The peasants farming the fields are now suddenly qualified airline pilots? Wow, I am glad you think our job is so easy and unskilled.
Its called ab initio training and its the way non US airlines train their pilots.
This is what the MPL license is all about. A cheaper and even more efficient way to get an avg. citizen into the cockpit of a widebody jet.
The plan is to get cheap labor quickly...
What is to stop them from doing it now? If they mx, dx, and scheduling don't have a CBA, there is nothing stopping them from doing it now when they are 100% American owned.
Great point. What has stopped other companies from sending labor jobs overseas. Do you think CEO's view pilot labor different than say an Indian call center?
Which airlines would that be Rez. Please list them for me.
Ryan Airlines.
They are a very real threat. Ryan makes it money selling ancillary services such as cost per luggage (AMR), wheelchair services, and products in flight. The money made is not from flying the jet. So Ryan doesn't value its pilots because the pilots aren't the real revenue generators...
Ryan Air has operating certificates and crew bases in different countries... the big concern: what labor law applies? the country where the op cert. is or the crew base...
Finally, Ryan Air, not Southwest is the model that is being copies globally.
Actually, I would think that the European pilots would be worried that their flying would be outsourced. If they outsourced their flying to the US and paid in Dollars, they would be saving a ton of money.
The EU pilots are concerned. For example, the BA pilots and BA's new airline Open Skies.
What was stopping VA or Skybus from getting work visa's for the peasants working the fields in 3rd world countries to become pilots when they started operations? I don't know of any law that says a US airline must employ only US pilots.
Well Skybus no longer operates, but you knew that...
Good point on the visas.... What is to stop a company from politicking gov't to give work and resident permits to foreign workers? Its just a piece of legislation away...
Do you back the ALPA PAC? cause I can assure you that companies back their PAC's so they can run this legislation.
I find it comical that you are so paranoid about have a foreign owner shipping your job overseas when the American owners would do it in a heartbeat if they could.
I don't make this stuff up. I am just reporting the possibilities as I have learned them.
Consider this...:
Regulators grant SkyTeam trans-Atlantic antitrust immunity
Thursday May 22, 10:52 pm ET Federal regulators grant Northwest and SkyTeam partners trans-Atlantic antitrust immunity
EAGAN, Minn. (AP) -- The U.S. Department of Transportation granted trans-Atlantic antitrust immunity Thursday for Northwest Airlines and five of its SkyTeam alliance partners: Delta, Air France, KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, Alitalia and CSA Czech Airlines.
The expanded immunity makes it easier for the six airlines to work together and share profits on trans-Atlantic flights. The federal agency granted preliminary approval in April.
To win antitrust approval, Eagan-based Northwest Airlines Corp. and Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines Inc. had to promise to coordinate only on trans-Atlantic operations. They're still expected to compete everywhere else pending completion of Delta's acquisition of Northwest in a stock-swap deal announced last month that would create the world's largest carrier.
"This enhanced ability to coordinate among the carriers will provide a more positive, seamless experience for our customers with single-ticketing, seamless baggage handling, and greater customer ease and convenience," Northwest President and CEO Doug Steenland said in a statement. "It is also good news in light of skyrocketing fuel costs." Steenland said the Transportation Department's final order will make the combined Northwest-Delta a more effective competitor.
The concern here is AF/KLM takes over the Transoceanic flying. A precedence we don't want set.
AF/KLM says to NWA/DAL... you can bring the asia market to the US and your narrowbodies feed our KLM/AF widebody jets in the US and we'll take it from there and do ALL the transatlantic flying... as long as the NWA/DAL brand gets their agreed share of the ticket cost, do you think Steenland and Anderson care if American Pilots fly it?
I am not saying all of this will happen? However, the maritime industry doesn't look too good for us....
The information is out there...