An Honest Question for AirTran Pilots

[texman]

There is no argument, you and I and everyone else at the hotel bars in your system knows that you make more money than us. You don't have to convince me about the merits of higher pay and how it relates to seniority integration, just the arbitrator(s).

I can agree with you. I just hate to see this go to arbitration. I think also what you have on the SWA side in some peoples opinion, is why does the AT captain average age of 38 get to ride the top of the SWA seniority for the next 20 years when the retirements come. Is that fair? Who knows? I just hope your AT ALPA is educating you. This is not a ALPA merger. GH is the acquiring company, in which is a holding company of SWA. It will be up to GH and SWA when the list merge.

 

[texman]

I agree with you completely, there are many other factors that will be considered. I would however suggest you consider other factors objectively (like I have) not just the ones that you perceive will benefit your case.

Yes with many factors being played out no ones seat will be protected. I have talked to some AT guys. One captain said I just don't want to lose my seat. If it goes to arbitration, How do you know if you will keep your seat. Thinking ALPA merger is not what is happing here.

 

[Bill Nelson]

I would however suggest you consider other factors objectively (like I have) not just the ones that you perceive will benefit your case.

I'll play. What does your group bring to the Swapa pilot group? I can't think of a single thing that your group brings directly to our group that we don't already have. Help me out here. What do you bring?

 

[Kharma Police]

I can agree with you. I just hate to see this go to arbitration. I think also what you have on the SWA side in some peoples opinion, is why does the AT captain average age of 38 get to ride the top of the SWA seniority for the next 20 years when the retirements come. Is that fair? Who knows? I just hope your AT ALPA is educating you. This is not a ALPA merger. GH is the acquiring company, in which is a holding company of SWA. It will be up to GH and SWA when the list merge.

The term, "fairness" is a very subjective term on both sides. You stated a perfect example why this needs to go to arbitration. You and probably others feel that because we have young captains, they are somehow less deserving to be in the seat which they have been occupied for many years prior to September 27th. My fellow young pup Captains that just now started shaving more than once a week disagree.

 

[Kharma Police]

I'll play. What does your group bring to the Swapa pilot group? I can't think of a single thing that your group brings directly to our group that we don't already have. Help me out here. What do you bring?

Go ask Gary Kelly what we bring, he didn't bother to ask for our opinion. I don't really care what's in it for you or for me, it's going to happen weather we like it or not. You can deal with it, or continue to ask the same questions over and over and beat your chest over things you have no control over. Have fun looking backwards, I'm looking forward.

 

[Bill Nelson]

Go ask Gary Kelly what we bring, he didn't bother to ask for our opinion. I don't really care what's in it for you or for me, it's going to happen weather we like it or not. You can deal with it, or continue to ask the same questions over and over and beat your chest over things you have no control over. Have fun looking backwards, I'm looking forward.
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translation= NOTHING

 

[ASADFW7]

There is no fairness on this board. There isn't a single position on the Airtran list I would rather be on than where I am on the SWA list. All this mix and mashing of pecker wood ideas is all fine and dandy, but lets be realistic SWA pilots are not interested what Airtran pilots have, because it is not enough. Even for the guy who gets Christmas off, and works weekdays at their top rate, I do not see many SWA guys who would jump over to work at Airtran period. I am not an Airtran pilot, good luck with how this works out. Some of you may be surprised where this falls, some of the SWA pilots may be surprised. All I know you lucky pecker woods are missing out on thousands a month by not being on our list. Five year pay FO, 14K average a month. Those are nice apples pecker woods, figure out what you need to do to get your heads out of your butts and get on one list.

 

[funnyman12]

Gary Kelly stated that the AAI acquisition would achiev growth that would take SWA 10 yrs to achieve organically. Is it conceivable that the AAI acquisition will speed up the possibility of SWA operating wide body aircraft? I would imagine a 737 over the atlantic and into Asia would not be possible. With AAI you as a SWA pilot may now have the ability of retiring in a widebody aircraft.

 

[Kharma Police]

translation= NOTHING

Everyday I have more and more respect and understanding why the F9 pilots gave you guys the finger..........

 

[RedDogC130]

Gary Kelly stated that the AAI acquisition would achiev a better pay rate for Airtran people that would take Airtran 10 yrs to achieve organically. Is it conceivable that the AAI acquisition will speed up the possibility of Airtran pilots buying a bigger house and car? I would imagine a 737 over the atlantic and into Asia would not be possible in the seat you may be in right now at AAI. With SWA you as a AAI pilot may now have the ability of retiring with some more money QUOTE]


I re-worded your quote a bit....to make sense for me reading it...thanks

 

[Ty Webb]

There is no fairness on this board. There isn't a single position on the Airtran list I would rather be on than where I am on the SWA list. All this mix and mashing of pecker wood ideas is all fine and dandy, but lets be realistic SWA pilots are not interested what Airtran pilots have, because it is not enough. Even for the guy who gets Christmas off, and works weekdays at their top rate, I do not see many SWA guys who would jump over to work at Airtran period. I am not an Airtran pilot, good luck with how this works out. Some of you may be surprised where this falls, some of the SWA pilots may be surprised. All I know you lucky pecker woods are missing out on thousands a month by not being on our list. Five year pay FO, 14K average a month. Those are nice apples pecker woods, figure out what you need to do to get your heads out of your butts and get on one list.

Wow . . . I'm sure your fellow pilots and MC Reps are pleased to be represented publicly by a man with your command of the written word, in addition to your extensive experience with handling wood and peckers. :laugh:

 

[Kharma Police]

There is no fairness on this board. There isn't a single position on the Airtran list I would rather be on than where I am on the SWA list. All this mix and mashing of pecker wood ideas is all fine and dandy, but lets be realistic SWA pilots are not interested what Airtran pilots have, because it is not enough. Even for the guy who gets Christmas off, and works weekdays at their top rate, I do not see many SWA guys who would jump over to work at Airtran period. I am not an Airtran pilot, good luck with how this works out. Some of you may be surprised where this falls, some of the SWA pilots may be surprised. All I know you lucky pecker woods are missing out on thousands a month by not being on our list. Five year pay FO, 14K average a month. Those are nice apples pecker woods, figure out what you need to do to get your heads out of your butts and get on one list.

Not sure what your point is but I'm guessing you just wanted to try out the new, "pecker wood" idiom that you learned.

 

[Bill Nelson]

Everyday I have more and more respect and understanding why the F9 pilots gave you guys the finger..........

Do you think they are laughing now? Somehow I doubt it.

 

[RedDogC130]

Everyday I have more and more respect and understanding why the F9 pilots gave you guys the finger..........

I bet they are happy with their decision every day

 

[Kharma Police]

Do you think they are laughing now? Somehow I doubt it.

They have my respect because they realized your group had no respect for them.