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Go ask Gary Kelly what we bring, he didn't bother to ask for our opinion. I don't really care what's in it for you or for me, it's going to happen weather we like it or not. You can deal with it, or continue to ask the same questions over and over and beat your chest over things you have no control over. Have fun looking backwards, I'm looking forward.
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There is no fairness on this board. There isn't a single position on the Airtran list I would rather be on than where I am on the SWA list. All this mix and mashing of pecker wood ideas is all fine and dandy, but lets be realistic SWA pilots are not interested what Airtran pilots have, because it is not enough. Even for the guy who gets Christmas off, and works weekdays at their top rate, I do not see many SWA guys who would jump over to work at Airtran period. I am not an Airtran pilot, good luck with how this works out. Some of you may be surprised where this falls, some of the SWA pilots may be surprised. All I know you lucky pecker woods are missing out on thousands a month by not being on our list. Five year pay FO, 14K average a month. Those are nice apples pecker woods, figure out what you need to do to get your heads out of your butts and get on one list.
 
Gary Kelly stated that the AAI acquisition would achiev growth that would take SWA 10 yrs to achieve organically. Is it conceivable that the AAI acquisition will speed up the possibility of SWA operating wide body aircraft? I would imagine a 737 over the atlantic and into Asia would not be possible. With AAI you as a SWA pilot may now have the ability of retiring in a widebody aircraft.
 
funnyman12 said:
Gary Kelly stated that the AAI acquisition would achiev a better pay rate for Airtran people that would take Airtran 10 yrs to achieve organically. Is it conceivable that the AAI acquisition will speed up the possibility of Airtran pilots buying a bigger house and car? I would imagine a 737 over the atlantic and into Asia would not be possible in the seat you may be in right now at AAI. With SWA you as a AAI pilot may now have the ability of retiring with some more money QUOTE]


I re-worded your quote a bit....to make sense for me reading it...thanks
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ASADFW7 said:
There is no fairness on this board. There isn't a single position on the Airtran list I would rather be on than where I am on the SWA list. All this mix and mashing of pecker wood ideas is all fine and dandy, but lets be realistic SWA pilots are not interested what Airtran pilots have, because it is not enough. Even for the guy who gets Christmas off, and works weekdays at their top rate, I do not see many SWA guys who would jump over to work at Airtran period. I am not an Airtran pilot, good luck with how this works out. Some of you may be surprised where this falls, some of the SWA pilots may be surprised. All I know you lucky pecker woods are missing out on thousands a month by not being on our list. Five year pay FO, 14K average a month. Those are nice apples pecker woods, figure out what you need to do to get your heads out of your butts and get on one list.
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Wow . . . I'm sure your fellow pilots and MC Reps are pleased to be represented publicly by a man with your command of the written word, in addition to your extensive experience with handling wood and peckers. :laugh:
 
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ASADFW7 said:
There is no fairness on this board. There isn't a single position on the Airtran list I would rather be on than where I am on the SWA list. All this mix and mashing of pecker wood ideas is all fine and dandy, but lets be realistic SWA pilots are not interested what Airtran pilots have, because it is not enough. Even for the guy who gets Christmas off, and works weekdays at their top rate, I do not see many SWA guys who would jump over to work at Airtran period. I am not an Airtran pilot, good luck with how this works out. Some of you may be surprised where this falls, some of the SWA pilots may be surprised. All I know you lucky pecker woods are missing out on thousands a month by not being on our list. Five year pay FO, 14K average a month. Those are nice apples pecker woods, figure out what you need to do to get your heads out of your butts and get on one list.
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Not sure what your point is but I'm guessing you just wanted to try out the new, "pecker wood" idiom that you learned.
 
Everyday I have more and more respect and understanding why the F9 pilots gave you guys the finger..........
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Do you think they are laughing now? Somehow I doubt it.
 
RedDogC130 said:
I bet they are happy with their decision every day
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I don't see them complaining much. I do however see posts by Southwest pilots who try and re-visit the issue. Sounds like you guys can't get over the F9 slight.
 
Kharma Police said:
I don't see them complaining much. I do however see posts by Southwest pilots who try and re-visit the issue. Sounds like you guys can't get over the F9 slight.
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I do cause I'm ex F9. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion and those guys know it just as well as you and I know it.

I hope they all have long and prosperous careers. I'd rather have seen them over here.

Gup
 
GuppyWN said:
I do cause I'm ex F9. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion and those guys know it just as well as you and I know it.

I hope they all have long and prosperous careers. I'd rather have seen them over here.

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It's very telling, given the bankruptcy situation that F9 was in, they were so taken aback by your level of arrogance that they walked away from the table and made a deal with a commuter.

Trust, but verify my AirTran brothers and sisters........
 
F9 Driver said:
I'd still like to know what the options were that you think FAPA made a "decision" about? (that was a rhetorical question BTW)

http://www.bnet.com/blog/airline-bu...-southwest-8217s-efforts-to-buy-frontier/1042
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Ok, that article is such bull. I heard GK 8 feet away from me state the labor was a non issue. It was the fact that he would have to furlough and F9's books were a mess. I think it was a mgt tactic to show good face with the pilots as a new leader. But from what I understand he got what he needed out of the deal.
 
Kharma Police said:
The term, "fairness" is a very subjective term on both sides. You stated a perfect example why this needs to go to arbitration. You and probably others feel that because we have young captains, they are somehow less deserving to be in the seat which they have been occupied for many years prior to September 27th. My fellow young pup Captains that just now started shaving more than once a week disagree.
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Who is more or less deserving of there current seat position? On both sides. Would you be upset if you lost your seat? If so what would entitle you to hold your seat if M/B and AM didn't ever come into play. Just a question?
 
texman said:
Who is more or less deserving of there current seat position? On both sides. Would you be upset if you lost your seat? If so what would entitle you to hold your seat if M/B and AM didn't ever come into play. Just a question?
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I don't feel "entitled" to anything so I wouldn't mind. However, the person already in his captain seat is logically more deserving, not the FO who would be taking his place. That in terms of career progression (not pay) is a windfall.
 
Kharma Police said:
I don't feel "entitled" to anything so I wouldn't mind. However, the person already in his captain seat is logically more deserving, not the FO who would be taking his place. That in terms of career progression (not pay) is a windfall.
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So a Virgin America Captain gets to keep his seat AND gets a huge raise in a Delta purchase of VA?

Even though Delta has some 10+ year FO's.

That's friggin' awesome.

Gup
 
GuppyWN said:
So a Virgin America Captain gets to keep his seat AND gets a huge raise in a Delta purchase of VA?

Even though Delta has some 10+ year FO's.

That's friggin' awesome.

Gup
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That's how it works. I'm sure because of Delta's heavy aircraft and international flying (that AT/SWA don't have or do) there would be fences.

Career progression comparison:

SWA pilot - 737 Captain
AirTran Pilot - 737 Captain

Delta pilot - 747 Captain
VA pilot - A320 Captain

Notice the difference?
 
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