AMR Proposal Highlights

[C-150ETOPS]

Just to clarify, they aren't paid 50% more than our competitors on the same LOS, it's just how the ball bounches today with the cost of a senior AA FA compared to a <5 year DAL FA for example. airlinefinancials.com has AA pilots costs slightly higher than our competitors, with the now whacked A-Fund and some productivity takes that would put us lower than everybody else. Our FA's are off the charts compared to others according to them.

Since anything less than the FA's current rates aren't even on the 1113 term sheet, it's unlikely da' Judge would hit them more. However, they did put it in the pilots 113 term sheet for a AA CA to fly the A319 at $139/hour compared to Spirit at $164 and DAL somewhere around $175.

Translation, they want the pilots to eat the cost difference instead of the FA's.

 

[Turtle21]

What color is the sky in your world ? The flying is only outsourced if the Mainline carriers allow it.

It should be one seniority list per airline.

There should have been one national seniority list and a national air transportation agreement, but ALPA can't see past next week's dues payments.

 

[PCL_128]

There should have been one national seniority list and a national air transportation agreement

Yes, and I'm sure your dysfunctional independent "union" is going to accomplish that.

 

[Guppiedriver]

There should have been one national seniority list and a national air transportation agreement, but ALPA can't see past next week's dues payments.

No worries. uSAPa will nail down a national seniority list for you, right after they are done stapling the AWA guys and securing an industry leading contract.

 

[AA717driver]

Yep, I know a retired American pilot that was one of the ones that pushed to have one list at American, no eagle. He and others were ridden over by the scope morons.

Your friend is not quite correct. Prior to the 2003 contract, the APA BOD voted to negotiate with Eagle to combine the lists.

Some at Eagle demanded DOH. The negotiations went nowhere. They were also concerned about taking the brunt of large-scale, long term furloughs.

The other problem is that AA demanded that bringing Eagle flying to mainline be cost-neutral for all groups. The ramp and FA's refused to go along.

This 1113 didn't HAVE to happen. But, knowing the players on both sides of the table, it was inevitable.

TC

 

[Flyby1206]

Since anything less than the FA's current rates aren't even on the 1113 term sheet, it's unlikely da' Judge would hit them more. However, they did put it in the pilots 113 term sheet for a AA CA to fly the A319 at $139/hour compared to Spirit at $164 and DAL somewhere around $175.

Translation, they want the pilots to eat the cost difference instead of the FA's.

Could be the same objective with the pilot 1113 sheet, "Better accept these crap 319 rates or else the judge will hit everyone else with lower pay." As it stands now there arent any pay cuts for a single existing equip status, correct?

 

[waveflyer]

Yes, and I'm sure your dysfunctional independent "union" is going to accomplish that.

No, but if alpa wanted to keep AAA, they would've floated the idea back in 2007 - begin a study of a NSL

 

[PCL_128]

No, but if alpa wanted to keep AAA, they would've floated the idea back in 2007 - begin a study of a NSL

We've done a study of an NSL time and time again. A new one was just finished about a year ago. It never works, because half the groups are always in favor, and the other half would fight tooth and nail to stop it. As always with pilots, it comes down to selfishness. If you're in a pilot group looking at the possibility of a furlough, then you're adamantly in favor of an NSL. If you're at a carrier that is stable or growing, then you despise the idea. Always been that way, always will be. More realistic solutions are out there, such as portable longevity.

 

[Turtle21]

Yes, and I'm sure your dysfunctional independent "union" is going to accomplish that.

The time to accomplish a national seniority list and nation air transportation agreement was decades ago.

Success now is simply not having to pay dues to a supposed national "union" with conflicted interests, representing competing pilot groups, that are now dominated by regional carriers that should have followed JetBlues lead. And of course the cherry on top is you and Rez still squealing like little school girls.

 

[outerlimits]

The time to accomplish a national seniority list and nation air transportation agreement was decades ago.

Success now is simply not having to pay dues to a supposed national "union" with conflicted interests, representing competing pilot groups, that are now dominated by regional carriers that should have followed JetBlues lead. And of course the cherry on top is you and Rez still squealing like little school girls.

Speak for your self dude, I happen to like how ALPA is giving us all the flying. I just find it hard to believe the Major Airlines, allow ALPA to do it.