AMR profit

[Neubyfly]

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.asp?Feed=PR&Date=20050720&ID=4977186&Symbol=US:AMR

 

[T45Flyer]

Congradulations to all the American Folks out there! Well done.

 

[Captain Overs]

So does that mean some of the employees will get a raise? Oh I forgot,,,the airlines take away during bad times but never reward during good.

 

[tubelcane]

I would hope since they are apparently running skinny now, maybe instead of raises they would start calling some people back. Neither will happen though so what's the hoopin and hollerin all about.

 

[PSL]

Congrats AA/AMR ...

This excerpt I find astonishing ...



During the second quarter, the Company paid $434 million more for fuel than it would have paid with last year's fuel prices.



End of quote ...



The frustrating part for the pilot group is we can provide concessions (hourly pay, benefits, Rigs ...) and it can all be erased with a volatile week in the commodities pit. Talk about having the unconstrained variables be the dominant ones in the competitive pricing model !



I'm curious what my brethren think of the current fare increases ...



In other words, for those ECON majors ... what is the price elasticity of demand in the (1) point to point markets served by a low-cost provider and a legacy carrier (an example might be LAX-SEA or MCO-BWI) ? (2) Are the low-cost carriers trying to bleed the legacy carriers with marginal profit pricing models ?

(3) Are the shareholders of the SWA, Air Tran's, Jet Blue betting that they will win the war of attrition ?



This is the worst I have seen our industry in nearly 20 years ...



I am particularly stumped why the fundamentals in the commodity market having taken a far backseat to emotion, fear and 'illogical exuberance' (I think I got this right ... Fed Chairman Greenspan ... some years ago talking about the tech bubble). I understand the China factor ... but I also look at the supply side of crude (even taking into account the 'possible' refining bottleneck theories and am completely dumbfounded by the escalation of crude. Two weeks ago the price of sweet crude jumped $1.89 in one hour because of a weather forecast (concerning Emily) that by its own admission was tentative at best ... Maybe the new market will be dominated by emotion rather than historical fundamentals ... maybe not.... which I knew because I could make a boatload of $$$ without hearing the TA/RA alerts going into LAX



Whatever the outcome (1 to 2 years) in the oil markets ... if history repeats itself and the price of oil does move our country to alternative means of surface transport (hybrids, ethanol ... etc) ... OPEC is going to experience a collapse of unimaginable magnitude... The Gulf States (read oil states) have very little beyond oil and it just might bite them in the a$$ in a big way.



I'm done ... sorry for the run on ...



Way to go AA...

 

[AMRCostUnit]

Here is the part I like: $3.9B in cash. Up 300m. 75m pension contrubition.

Here is the part I don't like: Regional Affiliates -66m



Unit

 

[COpilot]

Wow Scott!

Great post, you said four paragraphs what I have been trying to explain to co-workers for a year.

 

[aa73]

I would hope since they are apparently running skinny now, maybe instead of raises they would start calling some people back. Neither will happen though so what's the hoopin and hollerin all about.

Recalls should start early next year. Barring anything..uhhh... unexpected.

 

[Hoot R. Hunter]

Recalls should start early next year. Barring anything..uhhh... unexpected.

Like perhaps the boys at CRAAPA delivering the next highly-coveted concessionary crown jewel.....preferential bidding......free of charge, of course. Got to save the company by ourselves, don't ya know.

 

[Stan]

No one is talking about how AMR and CAL both posted profits without the use of fuel hedging. While the only way SWA made a profit was from fuel hedging.

 

[tk855]

Here is the part I don't like: Regional Affiliates -66m


Unit

So what don't you like about this? I am suprised that it is as small as it is! Do you realize what kind of costs the "regional affiliate" is facing regarding the training of AA pilots that have elected flowback? Numerous training cycles have been created due to the contractual right of AA pilots flowing back. Numerous "expensive" training cycles that is.

tk

 

[AA717driver]

I would like to offer to remain on furlough a little longer to try to help AA make even more money. TC

 

[lowecur]

No one is talking about how AMR and CAL both posted profits without the use of fuel hedging. While the only way SWA made a profit was from fuel hedging.

Stan:

Go back and read my thread on SWA profit. Read my last post as a response to Tazman. You will see they would have made a profit without the fuel hedge. The fuel hedge allowed them to pay a larger percentage on profit sharing and tax.

If you just look at it from a fuel hedge perspective it looks to be that way, but when you look at the gross profit - the fuel hedge + smaller tax number + smaller profit sharing, they make around $100M.

 

[zonker]

the only way SWA made a profit was from fuel hedging.

They made a solid forecast that put them in a position to buy those hedges. Sounds like a good business plan to me.

 

[aa73]

Like perhaps the boys at CRAAPA delivering the next highly-coveted concessionary crown jewel.....preferential bidding......free of charge, of course. Got to save the company by ourselves, don't ya know.

All of the union officers I've talked to are HELL-BENT against Pref Bidding. I personally don't think it will fly. Big chunk of our paycheck/time off is thanks to bidding conflicts!

 

[Yank McCobb]

Big chunk of our paycheck/time off is thanks to bidding conflicts!

Sure. Who WOULDN'T want to get paid to sit home and do nothing? It's the American (the country...not the airline) way. Do as little as you can for as long as you can afford it and for as long as you can get away with it. Then one day, when the free ride is over, you are pi$$ed at the world and wonder "what in the he!! do I do now?". Then you stumble through the rest of your life in some ramshackle state becuase you never learned how to make it on your own.

But of course, it was all someone ELSE'S fault.

 

[Groucho]

Great post PSL, praticularly about the commodities market. W isn't doing us amy help in this department. "Quagmire" in Iraq is starting to look like the order of the day and additional Iraq oil will not be on line any time soon, if at all.

A general said "The fact of the matter is we can't lose in Iraq, it's also a fact that we can't win." The oil markets, a worldwide market, senses this and doesn't like the stability in Iraq, Saudia Arabia, and Venezuala for that matter.

 

[aa73]

Sure. Who WOULDN'T want to get paid to sit home and do nothing? It's the American (the country...not the airline) way. Do as little as you can for as long as you can afford it and for as long as you can get away with it. Then one day, when the free ride is over, you are pi$$ed at the world and wonder "what in the he!! do I do now?". Then you stumble through the rest of your life in some ramshackle state becuase you never learned how to make it on your own.

But of course, it was all someone ELSE'S fault.

I think you cracked the code....

However, I am proud to state that, despite never having seen the "free ride" you are talking about, my life is anything but the "ramshakle state" you describe.

And yes, I am 100% against PBS until all of our furloughees are recalled, and then only for something in return.

 

[PHX767]

I'm a volunteer!

To bypass recall until I can hold a 777 slot. In LAX. And hold a line.

Realizing that is a slim chance, I will be happy flying out of my home airport and having a 20 minute commute until age 60.

P.S. NO PBS until all furloughees are recalled! Or in my case, bypassed.

 

[CitationLover]

...And yes, I am 100% against PBS until all of our furloughees are recalled, and then only for something in return.

just curious,

do you feel that way when you or you fellow union brothers grab ALL that open time with 3000 people on the street?