AMR pilots; how many on furlough, when do you expect recalls to start?

[FurloughedTwice]

Don't forget, we can always "get a job" with FedEx or UPS or if we "want", we can "go to" Southwest

yes yes thats it, more cool-aid! The hiring outlook is great!

Stay Positive!

SatPak77--Forget what I was saying. I now see why you don't think things are improving. There are a lot of "qualified" pilots that are looking for work.

Enjoy your current position because it's going to be a long time before you can catch a ride on that Trolley, "Neighbor".

For everyone else, if you remember how bad it was in 2003 I think you will agree that things are looking better. Most airlines have stopped furloughing and a few are recalling or hiring. That's what improvement means.

Mr. Rogers (AKA satpak77) doesn't remember that far back because he was probably busy working on his MEI.

I prefer to be optimistic and that's after two furloughs and 6 airlines in the last 10 years. :beer:

 

[satpak77]

SatPak77--Forget what I was saying. I now see why you don't think things are improving. There are a lot of "qualified" pilots that are looking for work.

Enjoy your current position because it's going to be a long time before you can catch a ride on that Trolley, "Neighbor".

For everyone else, if you remember how bad it was in 2003 I think you will agree that things are looking better. Most airlines have stopped furloughing and a few are recalling or hiring. That's what improvement means.

Mr. Rogers (AKA satpak77) doesn't remember that far back because he was probably busy working on his MEI.

I prefer to be optimistic and that's after two furloughs and 6 airlines in the last 10 years. :beer:

I just changed my Avatar

won't you be my neighbor

 

[FurloughedTwice]

Wow! It's really Fred. I'm impressed.

 

[PacoPollo]

Mr. Rogers (AKA satpak77) doesn't remember that far back because he was probably busy working on his MEI.

Now thats funny

 

[witchdoctor]

Aa Pilots

www.recallhunter.org

 

[Ex737Driver]

FURLOUGH

ABX - 16
ALOHA- 30
AMR - 2855
ATA - 275
DAL - 475
HAWAIIAN - 98
INDEPENDENCE - 1525
NWA - 673/120 more by 2QTR 06.
SUN COUNTRY - 100
UAL - 1900
USA - 1900
USA 3000 - 4

HIRING

AAI
ALK
ALLEGIANT
CHAMPION
EVERGREEN
FDX
FRNT
GEMINI
KALITTA
JBLU
NORTH AMERICAN
OMNI
RYAN
SWA
SOUTHERN AIR
UPS
WORLD

 

[AAflyer]

When did USA 3000 furlough?


Thanks,

AA

 

[PHX767]

Yes. APA is the France of labor unions...conceding before negotiations even start.

80drvr, that says it all! Thanks for the laugh.

I should post that on C & R, if it hasn't been done already.

I am planning on bypassing until I can hold a CA line in LAX. That should be.... In 2030 - of course I would be 75 years old. That should be legal by then, so no worries!

 

[level370]

When did USA 3000 furlough?


Thanks,

AA

Furloughed 4 guys in first week of indoc last Oct. Pretty crappy, huh. Co. said the hurricane in Cancun caused them to cancel one a/c for the winter. The good news I heard 2 are now with Jet Blue and 1 was able to go to previous employer with his seniority. I don't know about the last one.

 

[miles otoole]

FURLOUGH

ABX - 16
ALOHA- 30
AMR - 2855
ATA - 275
DAL - 475
HAWAIIAN - 98
INDEPENDENCE - 1525
NWA - 673/120 more by 2QTR 06.
SUN COUNTRY - 100
UAL - 1900
USA - 1900
USA 3000 - 4

HIRING

AAI
ALK
ALLEGIANT
CHAMPION
EVERGREEN
FDX
FRNT
GEMINI
KALITTA
JBLU
NORTH AMERICAN
OMNI
RYAN
SWA
SOUTHERN AIR
UPS
WORLD

Isn't your airline hiring?

 

[Andy]

AA wants to implement a preferential bid process. Some think that would eliminate the need for about 500 pilot positions. This will be another test of the "pliability" of the AA pilots' union.

Recalls? My guess is at least another 18 months before a very slow recall starts.

Draginass, back in 1999/2000, Northwest had preferential bidding (still does). They computed that it saved about 5% in manpower requirements. If you currently have 10,000 pilots, you'll need 9,500 with preferential bidding.
Management at United got our pilots to take preferential bidding during the paul whiteford (ex-MEC Chairman) giveaways. However, since whiteford had already sold the pilots on heinous QOL schedules where you pretty much fly 1000 hrs/yr hard time, the impact of preferential bidding is lessened a bit. However, it does screw the lineholders out of vacation drops, adding a couple of percentage points to crew efficiency.
I just hope that APA doesn't give away unlimited 70 seaters. WTF was whiteford thinking? Oh yeah, save the pensions. Well, we all saw how that one played out. Nothing like selling out the bottom half of the seniority list hoping that management wouldn't take away our pensions. This should be airline union 101 stuff ... if management has an opportunity to take $hit away, they will. Giving away other stuff to try to save something that they can wipe out in BK court is just plain stupid. Take note everyone from Northwest and Delta; I hope that they don't wipe out your pensions, but don't give away the farm trying to save 'em. Management can wipe 'em out in BK court in the blink of an eye.

 

[AAflyer]

Draginass, back in 1999/2000, Northwest had preferential bidding (still does). They computed that it saved about 5% in manpower requirements. If you currently have 10,000 pilots, you'll need 9,500 with preferential bidding.
Management at United got our pilots to take preferential bidding during the paul whiteford (ex-MEC Chairman) giveaways. However, since whiteford had already sold the pilots on heinous QOL schedules where you pretty much fly 1000 hrs/yr hard time, the impact of preferential bidding is lessened a bit. However, it does screw the lineholders out of vacation drops, adding a couple of percentage points to crew efficiency.
I just hope that APA doesn't give away unlimited 70 seaters. WTF was whiteford thinking? Oh yeah, save the pensions. Well, we all saw how that one played out. Nothing like selling out the bottom half of the seniority list hoping that management wouldn't take away our pensions. This should be airline union 101 stuff ... if management has an opportunity to take $hit away, they will. Giving away other stuff to try to save something that they can wipe out in BK court is just plain stupid. Take note everyone from Northwest and Delta; I hope that they don't wipe out your pensions, but don't give away the farm trying to save 'em. Management can wipe 'em out in BK court in the blink of an eye.

Hi Andy,

That has many of us a little worried (giving away unlimited 70 seat). The membership here has seen what other companies have done are slowly realizing what could happen. With the latest management bonuses, and upcoming elections in a few bases you may finally see a shift in control at the APA BOD level. The line pilots are starting to get feed up with what has been going on. Hope all is well with you. Hang in there.

AA

 

[AA717driver]

I think the PDP'ers are morons on the other side of the spectrum from the "give everything away and hope for the best" morons but considering APA has a clear view of how things have happened at the other carriers, I doubt having a more hard-line group running things will hurt.

Knowing that giving away the store didn't save UAL's pay and bennies, they should watch how the hard line plays out at NWA and adapt accordingly.

Having a change at the top during critical times isn't a good thing but it may be necessary if they start down the road to concessions with nothing in return.TC

 

[Kugelblitz]

For what it is worth (I'll save you the trouble, its' nothing) but I don't think any of us former TWA guys will ever get back on the property.

I know there are a lot of nice AA guys out there, I have met you. But I do think the silent (or not so in MIA) majority would prefer us not to be back on the property. I imagine they assume we would be very hard to work with. I think AMR also feels the same way. Poison pill employees.

So don't make any plans on returning if you are red, sorry, but I am pretty sure that is a fairly realistic appraisal of the situation. It seem to me that lifetime recall rights are about as useless as no furlough clauses.

 

[PHX767]

Kugel,

I don't understand your post. Do you think that the former TW guys on the list will be skipped over? I mean, there were TW guys furloughed before me, and after me. I expect that they will be recalled (or invited to) in seniority order. What would make you think differently?