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AMR - Dallas Base - Very senior or what?
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Flybywire44
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DFW = very senior. To put it in perspective - I am in my 14th year and can just now be a bottom lineholder/senior reserve MD80 F/O. I can also just barely hold 737 F/O, but deep reserve.
That said - when AA is in hiring mode, as it was in '98-'00, you could bid and get awarded DFW within a month or two of new hire class. Heck, in early '00, some of my classmates were awarded DFW 75/76 Int'l F/O within a couple months. So when we start hiring again, you should be able to get a DFW slot relatively quickly. But you will be on reserve a LOOONG time.
In shrinkage mode, DFW is the first to start displacing out of base. During the past ten dark years, there were guys bumped out of there that weren't reinstated for a good 7 years.
MIA = *THE MOST* Junior base we have. Even more junior than NY. Thatis where the majority start as new hires, and guys used to joke that in furlough mode you will do the "Miami Death March" where you slowly bump down to the most junior equipment out of MIA before you get canned.
I am currently based in MIA and it has pretty much the best flying in the system. Europe, Deep South, Caribbean and Domestic. All that's missing is Asia, hopefully that will come when we get more 773s on line. As a 14th year 75/76 F/O I am about 65% on the list in MIA, flying only Caribbean and S America Lite stuff (no all nighters.) Sweet bid status. MIA is slated to grow the most out of all our bases. It is a cash cow for AA and a great base to fly out of.
That said - when AA is in hiring mode, as it was in '98-'00, you could bid and get awarded DFW within a month or two of new hire class. Heck, in early '00, some of my classmates were awarded DFW 75/76 Int'l F/O within a couple months. So when we start hiring again, you should be able to get a DFW slot relatively quickly. But you will be on reserve a LOOONG time.
In shrinkage mode, DFW is the first to start displacing out of base. During the past ten dark years, there were guys bumped out of there that weren't reinstated for a good 7 years.
MIA = *THE MOST* Junior base we have. Even more junior than NY. Thatis where the majority start as new hires, and guys used to joke that in furlough mode you will do the "Miami Death March" where you slowly bump down to the most junior equipment out of MIA before you get canned.
I am currently based in MIA and it has pretty much the best flying in the system. Europe, Deep South, Caribbean and Domestic. All that's missing is Asia, hopefully that will come when we get more 773s on line. As a 14th year 75/76 F/O I am about 65% on the list in MIA, flying only Caribbean and S America Lite stuff (no all nighters.) Sweet bid status. MIA is slated to grow the most out of all our bases. It is a cash cow for AA and a great base to fly out of.
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LaGarbage Man
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No clue on why it's so Junior. I've wondered that myself. I guess there are lots of commuters (myself included) and, as good as the flying is, there's some flying that kind of sucks.
For example, tons of double all nighters down to EZE, SCL, MVD, GIG, etc. They tend to go senior but no thanks. We even have a MIA-Brasilia (BSB) flight on the 757 that is a two man crew and leaves at 23:35 and arrives around 9am - a 7hr flight in the dead of night with no breaks! UGH.
I am a die-hard Pilot of the Caribbean. Daytime stuff / same time zone only, thank you very much. Even Europe sucks for me - and that is UBER senior in MIA. I like to fly 2, maybe 3hrs max and settle down on a beach on my same time zone. All those gray haired senior cats can fight over the Deep South/Europe stuff all they want!
That said, MIA is kind of like a mini-DFW with how big it is. The difference is that DFW has relatively few commuters (most folks live in base) and the cost of living in DFW is WAY cheaper compared to MIA, hence DFW is more senior.
For example, tons of double all nighters down to EZE, SCL, MVD, GIG, etc. They tend to go senior but no thanks. We even have a MIA-Brasilia (BSB) flight on the 757 that is a two man crew and leaves at 23:35 and arrives around 9am - a 7hr flight in the dead of night with no breaks! UGH.
I am a die-hard Pilot of the Caribbean. Daytime stuff / same time zone only, thank you very much. Even Europe sucks for me - and that is UBER senior in MIA. I like to fly 2, maybe 3hrs max and settle down on a beach on my same time zone. All those gray haired senior cats can fight over the Deep South/Europe stuff all they want!
That said, MIA is kind of like a mini-DFW with how big it is. The difference is that DFW has relatively few commuters (most folks live in base) and the cost of living in DFW is WAY cheaper compared to MIA, hence DFW is more senior.
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DCAA320
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For the short term yes, long term no, thank God. Philly is Ghetto!
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Thanks for the input, aa73! That was what I suspected. I'm happy where I am, but I like to have teh lay of the land, ya know.
I'll wager that MIA is just a culture and climate that appeals to the fewest number of pilots. I know I would prefer it to the Anus Triangle! Interesting that it will grow the most. I thought it would be LA LA Land, as that would feed Asia.
LearLove, your sentiment is silly and not very welcoming. Of course, you are free to state it, just sayin'.
I'll wager that MIA is just a culture and climate that appeals to the fewest number of pilots. I know I would prefer it to the Anus Triangle! Interesting that it will grow the most. I thought it would be LA LA Land, as that would feed Asia.
LearLove, your sentiment is silly and not very welcoming. Of course, you are free to state it, just sayin'.
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I would be all over the Cheeseburger in Paradise career myself, aa73! We don't have hardly any RONs in the Carib or Central America. Just fly down, buy some cheap booze and fly back. Great for a base living boy like me in a line with nothing but that. Lots of time off, and that goes very senior as well. Not very exciting tho.
I guess with these new pay rates, I'll just go down there on my days off, as I can soon afford it. Anyone want to buy a van? It's down by the river. Overpowering odor of fear and self-loathing comes free.
I guess with these new pay rates, I'll just go down there on my days off, as I can soon afford it. Anyone want to buy a van? It's down by the river. Overpowering odor of fear and self-loathing comes free.
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Not defending Philly or anything (I live 50 miles north and that is as close as I want to get) but it's not like the other bases AAA/AWE/AMR have tons of people being chauffeured around in a Rolls Royce Tug asking if you have any Grey Poupon while you do your walk around.
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Flybywire44
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Philly is not that bad—it's what you make of it.
I've spent a couple years living in Downtown Philly and 40 minutes Southwest in the country side. The people are remarkably kinder than NYC and it's kind of cool living where the United States formed it's roots.
The city of Philadelphia, like US Airways, has reach rock bottom—and it's solid.
I've spent a couple years living in Downtown Philly and 40 minutes Southwest in the country side. The people are remarkably kinder than NYC and it's kind of cool living where the United States formed it's roots.
The city of Philadelphia, like US Airways, has reach rock bottom—and it's solid.
That trip tends to go somewhat senior. However I've seen it in open time plenty of times for both the FO and FB.
VVI is flown by the regulars who love that, ahem, style of trip... it is a 23:00ish departure from MIA-LPB and then a tag leg to VVI arriving around 8am. 3 man operation. On the next day it flies straight back from VVI-MIA and the FB deadheads back (flt time is less than 8hrs.)
Never done it and never plan on doing it: way too much work, what with having to don O2 masks for landing in LPB as well as the walkaround - all that after an all nighter? Ugh! However, the VVI layover is quite nice from what I'm told.
VVI is flown by the regulars who love that, ahem, style of trip... it is a 23:00ish departure from MIA-LPB and then a tag leg to VVI arriving around 8am. 3 man operation. On the next day it flies straight back from VVI-MIA and the FB deadheads back (flt time is less than 8hrs.)
Never done it and never plan on doing it: way too much work, what with having to don O2 masks for landing in LPB as well as the walkaround - all that after an all nighter? Ugh! However, the VVI layover is quite nice from what I'm told.
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I just hit 40 and am flying at NJA as 7yr FO. Always wanted to fly at AA since the formative years at Atlantic Coast. We currently live in Dallas (and love it) however I'm beginning to wonder should I try my hand at AA again after 14 years? Is that FO scale going to change for new hires after the merger is completed? Don't mind commuting to MIA or NYC for a year.
Blueridge if you live in DFW and NJ isn't cutting it for you, I'd say go for it. The retirements alone at this place absolutely skyrocket starting around 2015, in fact I believe AA/US has the highest planned retirements out of all the US airlines for the next 15 years.
Throw in (competent) airline management that plans on GROWING this place and finally taking advantage of the opportunities a stagnant AA has, and I think this place will once again become a good place to hang your hat. It sounds like we should start hiring sometime later this year. The morale here is SLOWLY changing.
Regarding pay, once the merger is complete we will start working on a JCBA which should bring new hire pay up to par with DL/UA, amongst other improvements.
We are finally starting to see light at the end of the tunnel here and it is not a train. I feel cautiously optimistic about the new AA, so does Wall St and most of the airline analysts. It's about time, the past 10yrs have absolutely sucked.
PS I would be glad to help a fellow Blue Ridger!
73
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Throw in (competent) airline management that plans on GROWING this place and finally taking advantage of the opportunities a stagnant AA has, and I think this place will once again become a good place to hang your hat. It sounds like we should start hiring sometime later this year. The morale here is SLOWLY changing.
Regarding pay, once the merger is complete we will start working on a JCBA which should bring new hire pay up to par with DL/UA, amongst other improvements.
We are finally starting to see light at the end of the tunnel here and it is not a train. I feel cautiously optimistic about the new AA, so does Wall St and most of the airline analysts. It's about time, the past 10yrs have absolutely sucked.
PS I would be glad to help a fellow Blue Ridger!
73
ACA '98-'00
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