AMF Pay Raise

[AZFr8tPilot]

I met one of the pilots that got the 1900 and she was in her first year. She was willing to take a run in PHX that was not very popular I think. She told me that there was another pilot in the same group that had less than a year and also went to PHX. Not bad. I hope this continues.

It's called an outstation, and yes they tend to go junior because of the more challenging schedules and living arrangements. Not to mention the fact that you have to live in places like Sierra Vista, Nogales, and Yuma...those are the 1900 outstations out of the PHX base.

 

[1st2000]

It's called an outstation, and yes they tend to go junior because of the more challenging schedules and living arrangements. Not to mention the fact that you have to live in places like Sierra Vista, Nogales, and Yuma...those are the 1900 outstations out of the PHX base.

Nogales, that's it! That is what she told me. Thanks for the explanation about outstations.

I am not sure that Nogales is actually paradise, but her schedule is pretty sweet. I think it is awesome there are those kinds of opportunities for those that are willing to chase them. It is the way it should be I guess.

 

[AZFr8tPilot]

Nogales outstation.... her schedule is pretty sweet...

Outstations are great opportunities, but the schedules in most cases (including this one) are far from sweet. They are actually pretty rough and wearing over time....especially if you don't actually live full-time in your outstation town.

 

[CFIIer]

I thought I saw somewhere that mins to get on the metroliner and E120 are like 1800/500. What kinds of times do the people who come off the street and fill those spots typically have? The metro that is based in bakersfield, only lays over at ONT once a week, or does the pilot live in ONT? Also, does AMF have floaters (guys on reserve) when the normal pilot can't do the run that day/week?

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

I am not sure how you figured any of this?

Part of the reason you can't figure it out is that there are some wrong assumptions made. Like that each time you change planes, the clock for the bonus resets. If you are going to take a transition to a new plane, you will incure a training commitment anyway, so you would pick up the resigning bonus the first year. And you would get the retention bonus every year after that. The pay scale (as always) is based on years with the company, not in the position.

You're usually pretty good with numbers, KSU, but you really mixed it up this time. If someone were to stay till 6.5 years using the scenerio you laid out, they would have received in the neighborhood of $15,000 in retention bonus money (before taxes, obviously.)

 

[time builder]

I thought I saw somewhere that mins to get on the metroliner and E120 are like 1800/500. What kinds of times do the people who come off the street and fill those spots typically have? The metro that is based in bakersfield, only lays over at ONT once a week, or does the pilot live in ONT? Also, does AMF have floaters (guys on reserve) when the normal pilot can't do the run that day/week?

Company minimums are flexible. They'd like to have 1400 for a Chieftain, 1800 for a BE99 and 2500 for the Metro, but those times aren't realistic anymore for junior Bases like SLC. Bases like BFI and PHX are more senior, and will take longer to progress.

On the subject of outstation bases, the schedule is typically Monday night through Saturday morning for UPS and DHL runs. You spend five nights a week away from home (at the base layover) and you're home all day every day.

If you're like me, having a wife and small child, it can be a great lifestyle. Some folks hate it, particularly if they're single, or choose not to live at the outstation.

Yes, there is a reserve, but if you're outstation based it's a little tricky to use to get a day off at home. Then again, you could have the guy who used to do your route still living in town and maintaining PTOC status, but you'd have to be real lucky for that to happen.

Sorry for deviating from the subject of the thread, carry on.

 

[tinman]

Yes, there is a reserve, but if you're outstation based it's a little tricky to use to get a day off at home. Then again, you could have the guy who used to do your route still living in town and maintaining PTOC status, but you'd have to be real lucky for that to happen.

You lucky dog!!

 

[time builder]

I know, living the life.

 

[Str82theNumbers]

Dear AMF Upper upper management,

Yes there has been a pay raise, first year guarantee is $45,500. Average flight time per month is 40-50 hours for a scheduled route. If your on-demand it could be as low as 20 when its slow or well over 100 when its busy.

That is for a Be-99 PIC in a part of the country with MUCH lower cost of living doing the SAME type of flying for the SAME big brown company.

Details in this thread.

Please shove your pathetic new pay rates, and all accompanying excuses, up your collective asses.

Thanks.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Part of the reason you can't figure it out is that there are some wrong assumptions made. Like that each time you change planes, the clock for the bonus resets. If you are going to take a transition to a new plane, you will incure a training commitment anyway, so you would pick up the resigning bonus the first year. And you would get the retention bonus every year after that. The pay scale (as always) is based on years with the company, not in the position.

You're usually pretty good with numbers, KSU, but you really mixed it up this time. If someone were to stay till 6.5 years using the scenerio you laid out, they would have received in the neighborhood of $15,000 in retention bonus money (before taxes, obviously.)

That is not how the memo reads. The memo specifically states that you are not eligible for a bonus if you are under a training contract unless you sign on for two years than you can get a 5% signing bonus.

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

That is not how the memo reads. The memo specifically states that you are not eligible for a bonus if you are under a training contract unless you sign on for two years than you can get a 5% signing bonus.

I don't have a copy of EM's letter handy, but every reference I can find in both the matrix and the FAQ sheet to the 5% signing bonus has to do with a first year type rated captain (emphasis mine.) There is no first year bonus for BE99 captains or E120 FOs. So this signing bonus only applies to pilots who get type ratings during their first year with the company. (Like you and I were.)

 

[highalti2d]

Yeah, Merlin is DESPERATE for metro drivers in TJBQ. I'm told that their minimum paycheque is at least our garuanteed rate (given their pay structure, flight time and overtime). PM if you want a few more details that I have.

 

[CFIIer]

that 818 number to hear about ameriflight employment doesn't work. anyone have a good number for calling the hiring department?

thanks

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

that 818 number to hear about ameriflight employment doesn't work. anyone have a good number for calling the hiring department?

thanks

800-800-JETS and ask for pilot recruiting or PM me.

 

[1st2000]

You should just email the boss at: [email protected]

It's how I got my job.

 

[citabriapilot]

I'm sure E.M. is gonna be thrilled at getting emails from everyone on FI who wants a job at AMF...

The recruiting dept. is there for a reason. A phone call to them is more appropriate.

 

[ksu_aviator]

I'm sure E.M. is gonna be thrilled at getting emails from everyone on FI who wants a job at AMF...

The recruiting dept. is there for a reason. A phone call to them is more appropriate.

E-mail=lazzy in the minds of a recruiter. I believe they are still using Pilot.StaffCV.com for their applications. Start here:

http://www.ameriflight.com/Employment/employment.asp

Once you fill that out, wait 3 days and call the 800 number above. Tell them you filled out the form online and you would like to talk to them about any opprotunities they may have. Remember, you aren't looking for a job. Any monkey can do a job. All recruiters are looking for career minded proffesionals.

Well, any how, that's it for pre-interview 101 .

Oh...btw....if you live near an AMF base, take your resume out there, find a pilot that looks poor (they'll be wearking an AMF uni...hehehe) and ask them to walk in your stuff. They get money if you make it in!

 

[1flier]

Hope things get better for AMF

Personally, I never expected to see a raise. I figured all of us who have type ratings would be passed up and that's exactly what happened.

I like the excuse for the low E120 FO pay: "They are able to be hired with 500 hours". Yeah? What about the FO we just got who is already a qualified 99 captain? He may have been grandfathered in on the old pay rate, but by making less than he would if he stayed on the 99 that's a pay cut none the less.

I am sorry to hear that for you guys. Its interesting they are saying they would hire 500 hour guys for the EMB-120 F/O. The recruiter gave 2 of my friends thier resumes back at a job fair when they asked about the 120 F/O positions. She told them call us when you have atleast 1200 and one of them had 1100 with 300 hours in a CASA 212. Hope things get better for you guys. If not, I see Freight Runners is starting BE99 Capts off at 45K a year now.

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

Its interesting they are saying they would hire 500 hour guys for the EMB-120 F/O. The recruiter gave 2 of my friends thier resumes back at a job fair when they asked about the 120 F/O positions. She told them call us when you have atleast 1200 and one of them had 1100 with 300 hours in a CASA 212.

Well, you have to remember, there are only 7 Bros in the fleet. So if you figure an FO stays for a year, there is only one opening every other indoc class. And that is if no body internal takes it (though this will probably be less likely now.)

 

[guidoverduci]

Outstations are great opportunities, but the schedules in most cases (including this one) are far from sweet. They are actually pretty rough and wearing over time....especially if you don't actually live full-time in your outstation town.

I'm not familiar with outstation bases, can someone elabrorate? What would a typical schedule be like? Anybody live in PHX and work at an outstation? Thanks