AMF Billings

[RefugePilot]

I am looking to get of the Jo' and examining my options. I am looking for any advice about the Billings base.

I have done some research here and have talked to a few other AMF pilots, just looking for as much info as I can get. Bitter ex-employees need not respond.

Thanks

 

[tinman]

Good group of guys up there. Most runs are outstations. Gettin' cold! Ops manager......well.....ummm......good businessman!

 

[citabriapilot]

Yeah, I haven't heard anything fantastic about the management in BIL. Why not come to SLC?

 

[RefugePilot]

Not sure I am going anywhere yet, but the NW is very top heavy in Seniority so I am just testing the waters elsewhere.

So Citabria what runs are they looking to fill in SLC and what's wrong with them?

 

[time builder]

what runs are they looking to fill in SLC and what's wrong with them?

There's only one BE99 run out of SLC with a good amount of time: 411 SLC-VGT-BUR which will get you roughly 6 hours a night. It takes a good amount of seniority to get that one.

The rest are roughly 2 hours a day, and you spend your entire day at the outstation. Plenty of cold ones there too: RXE and JAC especially.

 

[citabriapilot]

Don't let TimeBuilder make SLC sound like an awful place. Yes, JAC is cold, but its also a great place to spend the day. Skiing, hiking, great western style town, etc. I plan on skiing Jackson Hole the entire month of Dec.

411 is a high time run, but does go to the highest seniority 99 driver. You'd probably be in a 1900 or Metro before you could get 411... Personally, I'd rather have the better pay then to fly all night long in a 99. Besides, not too many 99 runs in the entire AMF system over 2.5 hours.

SLC is not an outstation base like Billings, so they aren't looking to fill any particular run. We have one outstation (Idaho Falls) that may be coming open pretty soon, but I don't know much about what they are going to do with it.

Mostly we just need pilots for staffing and to maybe get back to a better schedule. We had a big exodus to Skywest not too long ago and a few have left from the Metro and 1900 ranks for NetJets and corporate gigs.

Plan duty day from 5am-8pm m-f. Long day, but management and the pilot group make up for it. Not to mention the most excellent snow on earth for skiing... Lot's to do, just have to make the best of it.

I average 2.2 a day in the Metro, most of the 99 runs will be a tad longer. 2.3-2.5, pushing 3 or 3.5 when the weather turns to suck.

 

[EatSleepFly]

Refugee- Aren't you in PDX? Seems like most of SLC is former PDX pilots, myself and Citabria included. We have an awesome group of guys here, including the ACP and ops manager. It's a totally different atmosphere than PDX (in a good way). If we had enough 99 pilots, they would have a 4 on, 3 off schedule. SLC is a great area to live if you like outdoor stuff. Best skiing in the U.S. in the winter, best mountain biking in the summer. Lots of hiking, camping, etc. Also, I think upgrades to the Metro/1900 are likely to be quicker here than in BIL... but just from what I've seen, never can say for sure what the future holds. I'd definitely consider SLC, it's a great base. System-wide, runs are short with few exceptions... its the nature of the business. Don't listen to time builder, he doesn't work here, never did. PM myself or Citabria if you want, we'd be happy to answer any questions.

It takes a good amount of seniority to get that one.

Why don't you post about something you know? Like renting Be-99's....

411 was awarded to the most junior pilot here this bid.

 

[time builder]

Wow, eatsleepfly, you've got me figured out. I'm just a rich kid who rents BE99s on the weekends. Do a little research, my background isn't that hard to figure out.
BTW, I wasn't doggin on SLC, just giving him an idea of what the routes are like. SLC would be my first choice of bases, and RXE would be my preffered route (its cold, but I like the route, you pick up a lot of "specials").

 

[RefugePilot]

Never mind, after having to scrape ice off of my plane and then car at cold/dark:30, San Juan is looking like my choice for quick turbine advancement. I am seriously wondering if I could survive the Rockys as cold as I was on the PDX ramp this morning.

I know all about the Rockys and SLC. I have skied Park City since the 80s (yes I'm that old) and lived in JAC for 8 years. Citabria if you would give up the JAC run, I will start packing my bags and call your ACP in the morning. I am just starting to put out feelers for an upward move. I know how good the snow is around SLC, that is why spending 12 hours in a hotel in Pocatello would be very hard, knowing you are dropping into Corbets while I waste away just over the hill.

I have come to the conclusion that QOL and freight doggin are not compatible terms, but the QOFlying make up for it. If I am going to be gone all day I am looking to log enough hours to make it worthwhile. SLC may be my best option, but 15 hour days for 2.5 logged is not optimum, do they put you in a nice hotel at least?


A joke for SLC pilots:
Why do people come up to Jackson Hole to party?




Because God can't see over the Tetons.

 

[time builder]

There's some nice hotels (another reason I like RXE, for all the free breakfasts I've enjoyed there), JAC has a company apartment. I'd better stop acting like I know what I'm talking about before eatsleepfly gets on my case again, I moved from SLC a few months ago, so I'm not "current."

 

[EatSleepFly]

That's right!

But it's alright, I'll get back to surfing porn and let you handle all the AMF questions, because you obviously know whats up.

Peace out!

 

[Tryful]

That would explain that ridiculous rumor you were asking about with smaller engines on the 1900....EVERYTHING is clear to me now!

Refugee, also another option is if you don't want to move to SLC. Though from what I hear it is a great base, you can get down here to BUR. As we have a pretty good attrition rate down here as well. Turbine upgrade is usually pretty darn quick, I managed only 5 months before I was upgraded. So just food for thought.

 

[citabriapilot]

Refuge,

I'm only doing the JAC run during peak when it upgrades to a Metro. Most of the time it's a 99 and generally goes pretty junior. The guy who is on it now is about to upgrade to the Metro and it should open up to whoever wants it...

AND, unlike PDX, you don't have to sit on the cold ramp waiting on late jets. We will TRY to not go over to UPS if the jet is late, or we can hang in the pilot lounge inside the sort center. Couches, TV, warm coffee... PDX doesn't seem to be able to figure that stuff out.

C'mon down!

And yes, the hotels are GENERALLY pretty good. PM me for more details...

 

[PA31Driver]

We had a big exodus to Skywest not too long ago and a few have left from the Metro and 1900 ranks for NetJets and corporate gigs.




Hey Citabria, what about the one that went to the "other" airline out east?
And RefugePilot, don't listen to Timebuilder. He was one of those PFTs if I'm not mistaken. SLC has a great group of pilots and definitely has quick upgrades.

 

[time builder]

And RefugePilot, don't listen to Timebuilder. He was one of those PFTs if I'm not mistaken.

Yep, one of the best programs I've been in, flew with a lot of great guys (some on this board included), and jumpstarted my career. I've been a part 135 captain, an instructor, and a traffic watch pilot since then. Anything else you want to know?

We've really hijacked this thread now.

 

[citabriapilot]

Oh yeah, that one guy, "the dot, not the feather"... LOL!

Yeah, SLC isn't the same with PanEx

 

[tinman]

Oh yeah, that one guy, "the dot, not the feather"... LOL!

Yeah, SLC isn't the same with PanEx

That's good stuff!

 

[Mustang5.0]

Can you specifically request SLC when hired? Or do they just put you in whatever base they need filled at the time.

Trying to get back home to Utah.

I imagine the IFR 135 mins are pretty firm as far as hiring goes... I'm at 1,000tt/ 285 multi.... so I'll probably have to wait a while longer.

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

Can you specifically request SLC when hired? Or do they just put you in whatever base they need filled at the time.

Trying to get back home to Utah.

I imagine the IFR 135 mins are pretty firm as far as hiring goes... I'm at 1,000tt/ 285 multi.... so I'll probably have to wait a while longer.

At your times, the only way we could hire you currently is a part 91 trainer in BUR (or an E120 FO if anything were open; I don't know of any of those at this time.) Once you got to 1200 total, you could bid to SLC. I don't think SLC has any PA31 (help me on this, SLC locals) but with a couple hundred hours as a trainer, you might be able to get to a BE99.

To hire directly into the 99, you would probably need about 1400+ hours.

 

[tinman]

At your times, the only way we could hire you currently is a part 91 trainer in BUR (or an E120 FO if anything were open; I don't know of any of those at this time.) Once you got to 1200 total, you could bid to SLC. I don't think SLC has any PA31 (help me on this, SLC locals) but with a couple hundred hours as a trainer, you might be able to get to a BE99.

To hire directly into the 99, you would probably need about 1400+ hours.

No PA31's. That 1400 hr number is prolly pretty close, but with the shortage of pilots we have, you never know. I heard that there might be a 99 outstation opening up(possibly)(who knows)(maybe). But that's just what I've heard.