American

[Crash Pad]

What's the word Bloomberg says 23% raise.

 

[LearLove]

It sounds like they are going to send it out for a vote.

From what I know (haven't seen the "official" language):

Scope = delta and UAL
Group 1 (e190 size) still under JB rates
Group 2 and up rates higher than others but no PFT sharing.

I suspect we are going to come up short on work rules and rigs. That is where they will get their higher rates back and be "cost neutral". Not to mention the large number of pilots that will be on 190 rates when they order 500 of them to replace every A319. At least I'm already trained on the 190 and numb (especially my a$$) to the whole thing.

My guess is the older guys (10 years or less to go) will jump at the money along with the bottom of the list and guys in the middle (more than 10 years to go) will say no due to work rules and rigs.

We already have 18 hour 4 days trips because they sit you in NYC at hotel craphole/bedbug for 32 hours. As a block holder I want to fly 80 (or be paid for 80) hours in as few days as possible. I'll spend my time at home not on the road in some downtown hotel for 30 hours.

 

[jellynuts]

APA should be ashamed of themselves. Not a peep from the leadership throughout these "negotiations". Their email that announced this deal was very poorly written and contradictory. Unfortunately this will now pass beyond a wide margin because the pilots are too stupid to see beyond the dangling hourly-pay carrot. It will be a very Happy New Year for Dougweiser and Team Tempe!!

 

[LearLove]

I just looked on the APA site and couldn't find the anything yet on what is going to be sent out for a vote.

So I guess the only "language" we have right now is the Kirby letter? Anyone know where to find the whole thing?

 

[RJLoser]

During one of the union conference calls they said something about a limit on the number of group 1 aircraft. Anyone know anything about this?

 

[Bringupthebird]

No East pilot has any right to complain about the JCBA. They squandered the opportunity to establish a better contract to negotiate from and chose to fight a civil war. The APA is equally shortsighted by giving anything to dump Horton.

Make things personal and you always lose money.

 

[JD2003]

Its a Faggot airline with a Faggot Mormon CEO.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Its a Faggot airline with a Faggot Mormon CEO.

^^^^^^

I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that this guy doesn't really care for American. Not so much, anyway.

Bubba

 

[LearLove]

Its a Faggot airline with a Faggot Mormon CEO.

O great, it's only Jan 5th and we already have the post of the year. Now what are we going to do for the rest of 2015?

 

[nimtz]

Its a Faggot airline with a Faggot Mormon CEO.

Doug is LDS? Wow dude sure fell off the wagon.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

^^^^^^

I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that this guy doesn't really care for American. Not so much, anyway.

Bubba

I thought he was rather complimentary - I assumed he meant the aircraft were impeccably clean and stylishly appointed.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

You guys should not sign off on this BS TA. Not enough in my opinion and for five years...c'mon!

 

[redflyer65]

Doug doesn't want to hand out profit sharing because he knows those numbers will be a blow out later. He's trying to get 50% +1 without having to give it out.

Think about what other carriers are going to be handing out in profit sharing shortly. It's huge.

 

[waveflyer]

Oil just went down to $50/brl

Profit sharing will be huge

 

[LearLove]

Sounds like we get the details on Wed.

 

[chppr5]

You guys should not sign off on this BS TA. Not enough in my opinion and for five years...c'mon!

This is not traditional Sec 6 negotiations, The MOU requires that the JCBA be concluded via a cost-neutral arbitration process. Tough spot to be in.

 

[OARfan]

This is not traditional Sec 6 negotiations, The MOU requires that the JCBA be concluded via a cost-neutral arbitration process. Tough spot to be in.

Not really. Take the pay raise in 11 months that was already agreed to without having to give Parker anything. I don't think the guys care if they lose 2 years LOS when out for 13 years. Oh, and the new hires will end up going anywhere else but here at 40/hr.

 

[General Lee]

Not really. Take the pay raise in 11 months that was already agreed to without having to give Parker anything. I don't think the guys care if they lose 2 years LOS when out for 13 years. Oh, and the new hires will end up going anywhere else but here at 40/hr.

The problem is Doug knows there are plenty of Regional pilots that will still be giddy when hired at AA because it will be ten times better than current conditions at the sinking Regionals. He'll happily take Envoy, AW, and PDT pilots for years who just want to leave their current jobs and aren't looking at year 1 pay, rather subsequent years.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bringupthebird]

A "UNITY - APA" bag tag on a US east bag is like a "Turbo" badge on a Yugo.

 

[EatinRamen]

Its a Faggot airline with a Faggot Mormon CEO.

Moderator,

It's not ok to post four letter words like "sh!t" but it's ok to post this word without any mod intervention or at least censorship of the word?

Thanks,

EatinRamen

 

[Whine Lover]

Perhaps you'd prefer...."Cork Socker" or "Sock Tucker"...?





YKW

 

[Ex737Driver]

Perhaps you'd prefer...."Cork Socker" or "Sock Tucker"...?





YKW

I always thought it ended with "it", not "ot". Must be a redneck thing.

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

or you could simply call him a "shirt Lifter" very delicate term

 

[f15boomer]

No he is not a Latter Day Saint

 

[WSurf]

Vote no!!!

 

[Bringupthebird]

Why? Please give your detailed explanation of what will happen after a NO vote.

Hey I got it, let's vote out APA and replace it with another union and then claim we were not party to the MTA and are not bound by it! - Problem solved, right?

Where's Bradford's number?

 

[LearLove]

Why? Please give your detailed explanation of what will happen after a NO vote.

Hey I got it, let's vote out APA and replace it with another union and then claim we were not party to the MTA and are not bound by it! - Problem solved, right?

Where's Bradford's number?

O crap, he's on to us. Quick execute operation purple monkey. Repeat operation purple monkey....

 

[WSurf]

Are the 190 rates like Delta's 717 rates???

 

[Green]

Not sure about 190 rates.
Company offer:

A320 CA
12 year 2015
$228/hr
85 hours per month including 401k= $270,000
2019
257/hr
@85/month including 401k contribution=$304,000

B757/767 CA
12 Year 2015
242/hr @85/month including 401k=$286,000
2019
$272/hr @ 85 month including 401k=$321,000


B777/A330 CA
2015
285/hr @85/month incl 401k=$337,000
2019
$320/hr @ 85 month including 401k=$379,000

 

[Green]

A320 12 Year FO
2015 $155/hour @85 hour including 401k= $183,000
2019 $175/hour @85 hour including 401k= $207,000

B757/767 12 Year FO
2015 $165 @85/month incl 401k=$195,000
2019 $186 @85/month incl 401k= $220,000

A330/777 12 Year FO
2015 $194 @85/month incl 401k= $230,000
2019 $219 @85/month incl 401k=$260,000

potential career progression pay rates- add 16% for 401k
2015 first year FO A3220 pay $75/hr
2016 second year FO A320 $116/hr
2017 third year FO A320 $140/hr
2018 4th year B767 FO pay $156/hr
2019 5th year A330/777 FO pay $195/hr