American Pilot Group, Guess What?

[Splert]

Both Reno Air and TWA had ALPA. Leadership, deep pockets, and "legal representation" didn't help either one of them.

Where is the #1 MD 80 CA making $80 an hour with no work rules or retirement supposed to be integrated?

Number #2 at AA?

Pilots are such kindergartners'.

 

[Splert]

USA and AW have a CBA that prevents a Single Carrier to be formed UNTIL AFTER a JCBA is agreed too.

Weak a$$ representation?

UAL and CAL just came to a TA. Weaka$$ representation.

The acquiring airline pilots are screwed when they are BK or have a contact that is worth pennies to dollar of the other pilots contract.

You are a fool if you think a $80 an hour MD 80 CA is anything but a new hire at AA in the 90's.

 

[Crzipilot]

But But.....isn't that basically what the NIC award says, and such?? relative seniority, so that #1 Capt should have been in the top 5 there or so.

Same with the Jblue thingy there. Ok, jr. f/o at AA is senior to all of Jblue, but guess what?? He is Junior on the American list so he will be Junior on the combined list. JetBlue capts will integrate relative to their capt. seniority on the capt list and so forth.

That's only Fair right? #1 JB should be in the top couple of % of the AA/JB combined list....

 

[Mud Eagle]

Maybe USAirways will buy them both.

That SLI would be a monkey-crap storm of epic proportions.

 

[FIREMAN]

Nevermind the McCaskill-Bond statute right?

SWA did!

 

[linepilot]

There is no established 'integration process'. It's all up to the two airlines to figure it out, whether they're union or not. DAL and NWA figured it out quickly ... USA and AW, EXJ and ASA, UAL and CAL are all still trying to hammer it out. And they're all ALPA carriers (or WERE in the case of USA).

A merger involving a non-RLA group hasnt happened that I know of (maybe Morris Air?) At least not recently. But I can say that the airlines are full of pissed off pilots because of acquired carriers. Air Cal, Republic, Ozark, Reno, TWA, Western, the list goes on.

I suppose there is an argument that representation will make it better ... But, regardless, history has shown that the pilots of the 'acquired' carrier will always get the shaft.

Try preferential interviews and the unemployment line. The jetblue pilot group does not have to be dealt with collectively.

 

[fam62c]

Do any of you understand the VAST difference between being recognized as a collective group during a merger (under the RLA) and being viewed as individual contractors? Do you all understand how the integration process differs?

You're all talking nonsense.

To say, "it would all be the same" if we were ALPA or if we were non-union is just ignorant.

Stop being morons.

What happens if you are represented by ALPA but don't have a CBA? Does your seniority list really exist if it is not in an agreement other than your individual contracts which you all say aren't worth anything? Just a question.

 

[linepilot]

What happens if you are represented by ALPA but don't have a CBA? Does your seniority list really exist if it is not in an agreement other than your individual contracts which you all say aren't worth anything? Just a question.

According to the NMB/NLRB (and ALPA) you are recognized as a single collective bargaining group under the RLA the minute you vote for it. No CBA required. Will you have a successorship/scope agreement in place? No. Will you be treated by a judge/arbitrator just like every other organized pilot group in the country? Yes.

Individual agreements has not been tested.

Jetblue pilots voted to roll the dice that they will still be employed after a transactional event.

 

[Splert]

But But.....isn't that basically what the NIC award says, and such?? relative seniority, so that #1 Capt should have been in the top 5 there or so.

Same with the Jblue thingy there. Ok, jr. f/o at AA is senior to all of Jblue, but guess what?? He is Junior on the American list so he will be Junior on the combined list. JetBlue capts will integrate relative to their capt. seniority on the capt list and so forth.

That's only Fair right? #1 JB should be in the top couple of % of the AA/JB combined list....

Number #1 BlueJet contract is relative to the APA's CA on the MD 80 and Bluejet FO are relative to 737 FOs. Those are the anchor points of 'relative', IMO.

Not including the non contractual parts of BlueJet "experience" and health care and retirement and LTD and STD etc.

USA had a $0.25 contract and AWA had a $0.24 contact.

Then your seniority within your contract IS relative to the other pilot seniority in their contract.

 

[jmreii]

B6 pilots realize they are gonna get screwed when AA buys them. That is why they are running another ALPA drive shortly. I personally don't feel like ALPA will do anything other than give them a warm fuzzy feeling while APA does whatever they want. (note previous post about how well ALPA did) The most junior F/O at AA is senior to the most senior CA at B6. What good can ALPA do to integrate those two? Gonna be interesting!!!

AA should concern themselves more with living to fight another day as oppose to spending someone else's money for nonsense!