American Pilot Group, Guess What?

[linepilot]

Jetblue pilots think they have an iron clad Pilot Employment Agreement (PEA) with a set of pretty cool Five Documents that are going to ensure an industry standard integration.

They are confident that they will do just as well as they would have done as an organized group under the RLA and they are secure in the knowledge that Jetblue has set aside 2 million dollars for their defense.

.....shhhhhhh......
This pilot group is COMPLETELY defenseless, without leadership, without knowledge, without funding, without legal representation, and without backing from management.

It's going to be EASY.

ENJOY!

 

[xjhawk]

Date of Hire............

 

[labbats]

Nevermind the McCaskill-Bond statute right?

 

[Neubyfly]

Nevermind the McCaskill-Bond statute right?

You're welcome.

 

[Flyer1015]

Not unless there is a threat of non-integration! Ask Airtran guys about that...

 

[Iflyamouse]

This pilot group is COMPLETELY defenseless, without leadership, without knowledge, without funding, without legal representation, and without backing from management.
!

Both Reno Air and TWA had ALPA. Leadership, deep pockets, and "legal representation" didn't help either one of them.

 

[AA717driver]

Scuttle the ship before it's boarded by pirates.

TC

 

[GEARSLINGER]

B6 pilots realize they are gonna get screwed when AA buys them. That is why they are running another ALPA drive shortly. I personally don't feel like ALPA will do anything other than give them a warm fuzzy feeling while APA does whatever they want. (note previous post about how well ALPA did) The most junior F/O at AA is senior to the most senior CA at B6. What good can ALPA do to integrate those two? Gonna be interesting!!!

 

[linepilot]

Do any of you understand the VAST difference between being recognized as a collective group during a merger (under the RLA) and being viewed as individual contractors? Do you all understand how the integration process differs?

You're all talking nonsense.

To say, "it would all be the same" if we were ALPA or if we were non-union is just ignorant.

Stop being morons.

 

[Iflyamouse]

Do any of you understand the VAST difference between being recognized as a collective group during a merger (under the RLA) and being viewed as individual contractors? Do you all understand how the integration process differs?

You're all talking nonsense.

To say, "it would all be the same" if we were ALPA or if we were non-union is just ignorant.

Stop being morons.

There is no established 'integration process'. It's all up to the two airlines to figure it out, whether they're union or not. DAL and NWA figured it out quickly ... USA and AW, EXJ and ASA, UAL and CAL are all still trying to hammer it out. And they're all ALPA carriers (or WERE in the case of USA).

A merger involving a non-RLA group hasnt happened that I know of (maybe Morris Air?) At least not recently. But I can say that the airlines are full of pissed off pilots because of acquired carriers. Air Cal, Republic, Ozark, Reno, TWA, Western, the list goes on.

I suppose there is an argument that representation will make it better ... But, regardless, history has shown that the pilots of the 'acquired' carrier will always get the shaft.