American Decapitated.

[Super 80]

John 16:2b...in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. 3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4 I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you.

If these five don't change their ways, and I have no reason to think they will; they will go to Hell, and rightly so. Things like this make me want to go to war. I'm having a real hard time feeling sorry for the detainees of the U.S. Army being 'humiliated.'

 

[siucavflight]

Jarhead,
Did you watch the video? If so does it make you mad to see it, and if it does make you mad are you mad at the cowards that did this to him, or the few soldiers who supposedly brought this on by humiliating the iraqi prisioners?

 

[Dubya]

oh boy.....

...rvsm if seeing this kid die pisses you off ...how can you possibly think that fighting the war here would be better? That is absurd.

Do you think if we pulled up the drawbridge and sat and waited for something to happen that noone else would be killed?

Do you think no liberties would be taken if we just put all of our effort into protecting our own borders? Fortress America right? C'mon..think this through a bit.

We have to be over there or they would ALL be over here trying to destroy our way of life that they despise. We need to get out of there before someone goes nuke happy?

Would you rather they come here and get nuke happy?

To say you would rather have the war fought here at home is just completely ignorant.

jarhead...it doesn't surprise me at all that you would agree with such a misguided thought process.

The prison fiasco is FOUR MONTHS OLD people. It happened in January and was a tiny headline on page 7 B. Nothing was said until the media posted pictures about it. What does that say about our society? We don't care until we see it shoved in our face by our 24 hour media machine.

And once again...lets not even try to compare the prisoners...ie. combatants, terrorists, criminals....naked with panties on their heads and broomsticks in their butts to an INNOCENT AMERICAN CITIZEN trying to help the people of Iraq having his head SAWED OFF.

This barely made headlines throughout the world while the naked prisoner pictures have been front page garbage for a week now. What does that say to you?

The mafia had/has standards? What mafia are you refering to? What standards are you talking about?

We ABSOLUTELY have to be over there taking the fight to these so called holy warriors.

W

 

[jarhead]

siucavflight

Please re-read my post. It says nothing as to what you refer to. It speaks to a statement made by another poster that is a contradiction of itself. The man asks why they don't follow rules that they have never heard of. As Homer Simpson might say, "Doh"!

Of course it's awful what these murderous five people did to the American. Do you think anyone would argue that?

There are so many on these threads who seem to advocate, that ALL the people who our country is there to help, need to be killed and tortured, because some have done that to Americans. If that's our purpose, why waste the money, lives and bullets. Just go home.....problem solved. There is a very racist and biggoted componet to many of the staunch supporters of the current administration. I can't figure that out. The President publically states that the people of Iraq need AND deserve the help of America, in blood and treasue, yet many who support this president whom says he wants to help the Iraqi people openly call for the killing of ALL the "Ragheads" in Iraq.

How's that for a complete disconnect?

 

[Typhoon1244]

I saw it. The whole thing.

Our nation has more than enough nuclear armament to surgically remove the entire middle east from the Earth's surface.

What the f uck are we waiting for?

I am sick of this s hit! Colonel Kurtz was right: take ten divisions, start at one end of the region and move to the other, killing everything in between.

Let's see how many videos these f uckers make then.

(Extremely )

 

[Super 80]

Okay that was gruesome, and I had to have the sound off so my son wouldn't hear it.

This is murder plain and simple. This is evil. I hate it.

 

[jarhead]

Dubya

Ok, besides getting rid of the freedom of the press in the bill of rights of the U.S. Constitution, which other freedoms would you advocate eliminating? You'd just rather "trust" our leaders to always tell the truth? The Press is what makes us free. Without it, we'd all be lied to all the time. The press shows the truth. The good and the bad and the ugly. It showed the execution of the American man today, and it showed the abuse in Abu Ghraib.

Would you also like to get rid of the right to bear arms because a bandit held up a bank? Would you like the freedom to assemble denied? Come on, tell me, which other rights of Americans do you want eliminated. It can't be just the free press, can it? How about the right to practice the religion of your choice, or the right to vote in an election. Without the press, you would have zip.

 

[Dubya]

Misunderstanding?

I wasn't advocating having more rights taken away...I was responding to rvsm's assertion that we should pull back and try and protect our own borders rather than fight over there. He said we were losing our freedoms already...I was trying to say that if we pulled back and focused all of our attention on our borders....a Fortress America if you will....even more of our freedoms would have to go if we are to keep these terrorists out of our country.

Sorry if that didn't come across clear....this issue gets the heart pumping.

W

 

[Dubya]

As far as the press.....

.....is concerned I completely agree with you that the checks and balances have to be there to keep our government in line so to speak, but it is completely out of control. The press is no more concerned about the "truth" than some of the people in our government. The limitless intrusion of the press prohibits our government from doing it's job. Rather than protect you and me...they have to sit and discuss how to approach things with the cameras around. It is so absurd.

The press is out of control. Period.

W

 

[jarhead]

Perhaps that is why we Americans can listen to both Rush Limbaugh AND Al Franken? And many others in between.

 

[usav8or]

I think it's time to dust off a few of those nukes and introduce them to the fires of hell!

 

[Dubya]

huh?

I'm not sure what you mean by that response.

Rush Limbaugh and Al Franken are not the "press".
They are commentators, entertainers...voices for their viewpoints.

By the press I mean the littany of 24 hour news coverage of crap I don't need to know...and quite frankly...don't need to know.

W

 

[rvsm410]

Missed intention, pick the right fights.

Dubya,

you missed the point sir! you write in the literal sense, I did not mean we should wait for the war to come here...it is here.....just in another form....

It is obvious to me that you have not been in the company of this culture, especially in combat....

The war they fight is WAS only against others in the region until we stepped in the middle of it years ago, Isreal, the Saudia oil, all reasons for this counties interest there. Sure we are the worlds super power and we like to make sure the world knows it, but like in any war, battle etc...you have to learn to pick your fights, and fights we can really win....

We need to clean up our own back yard, get rid of the people here that dont belong here, protect the land and people in and around the US thzt share our vision of what life is....

I'll repeat, we think we are in a war...the people of the middle east are living the same normal life they have lived for thousands of years....what makes you or anyone here believe we are going to change this now or in 50 years.......

And as for the Nuke statement.....well if I really have to explain this one then your lost as well....one nuke dropped over there will cause a chain reaction so wide spread that the air we breath here would be horrible, the planet as we know it wil be changed for ever.........

If we continue on this path, this action/war will eventually make Vietnam look like small potatoes in the loss of life....and in the end, they will still think the way they have been taught for generations.....

I fear we have started something we can not get out of now....

 

[HoursHore]

This war has been going on since 1972 when the Islamic fundamentalist took the Israeli Hostages with very little reponse from the west. For years the west has taken these hits with little or no response. Remeber the Achille Lauro? We forced down one plane with the the mastermind Abu Nidal, who was later found in IRAQ. Our Realpolitik strategy of the cold war really sreved us poorly in the long run, for while we won the struggle with the strategy of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," we empowered all these crazies, and now it is nothing more than stepping on every single cockroach we can find. It will probably take 50 years, but so did the cold war. I have been to the theatre twice now since separating from active duty with the USAFR, and am prepared to go back many more times. It is a culture war, and not one that will be won soon.

However, I consider this struggle on par with WW2 in its scope and a battle that needs to be fought. how long were we going to sit there with Sadamm Hussein thumbing his nose at the west an flipping SAM's at our aircraft? 12 years? Well that was how long we sat there with our thumbs up our butt. And thats how long sSaddam proclaimed to the Islam world that he had defeated our forces in the First Gulf War. 12 years of giving his empowering message to the rest of the crazies. The time has come. Peace only thru Victory.

 

[flyboydk]

I agree with Typhoon, turn the Middle East into a parking lot. Can anyone name anything they (Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.) have contributed to the world besides oil and terrorism?

 

[Pilot124]

That video was the sickest thing I have ever seen. It made me so mad that I have lost my head. I am so sick of this s hit. What are we wasting our time over there for? F uck'n nuke those f uckers!!!!! I am beggining to think that nothing will change over there. They are happy to die and have no reserves about cutting a head off and filming it. What kind of reaction do they think they are going to get from us here...You bet....F uck them, and lets KILL em all...Sorry That just pissed me off. If you haven't seen it DON'T.

 

[Dubya]

Not so obvious

It just so happens that I work shoulder to shoulder each day with people from this part of the world. I have a very real insight into this culture...not in combat...only in the field of intelligence gathering...but I assure you I am not lost on this subject.

I did not assert that we should drop nukes as others have posted...what I was responding to is your assertion that we should be fighting the war over here...which is absurd.

I was speaking of the possibility of a nuclear attack on our soil from terrorists allowed to operate freely in other parts of the world, able to obtain WMD's and bring them here.

Your statement about one nuclear weapon having such a dramatic global effect is utter nonsense.

If we do not continue to battle this enemy...on our terms....this enemy will come to us..and continue to fight us on their terms. This is unacceptable.

Once again...we have to be there, and we should not stop there.

This will be a long process...but one that must be seen through.

W

 

[jarhead]

Dubya

Of course they are commentators. They comment on what they see and have heard about in the news. Al Franken and Rush Limbaugh never set foot out of their studio other than to appear at a book signing or celebrity roast. Don't take everything so literally.

Now, as to your contention that 24/7 is too much news for YOU to handle, and that YOU don't need it all.....can't argue with that. However, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, etc, all have a wider audience than just YOU. There are the night shift workers just leaving the gas station they work at; the dog watch coming home from the cop house, and the myriad of people who tune in when they have a moment to catch up on the events that form their lives. If YOU don't need the news 24/7, who is forcing you to watch any of it? That's YOUR choice. If you don't watch it all, I promise, I won't tell on you. It's OK

 

[mar]

War *is* Hell.

Well, here're my two cents:

I tried to download the video but it got jammed up with "net congestion" or something, but I did see the takedown and hear the scream.

That was enough. I don't need to see the rest.

Here's my question: What did everyone expect when Bush, et al said, We're invading Iraq.

Shock and awe?

Do you think shock and awe are unilateral?

Don't you think similiar atrocities have occured in every war since Man first picked up a stone and fashioned a weapon?

Why are we so surprised? Is it because we've been fed a sanitized version of Truth for the last 40 years? Is it because we don't have the stomach for the Ugly Truth?

Am I the only person in all of America who can say that when we first deployed to Iraq that things would go to Hell?

Iraq has become Hell. Nobody is going to Hell. They're already there.

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

Honestly, I have given up on a good portion of humanity due to what I have seen online. In a week or so, that website will also put back up it's other stuff. They have the Daniel Pearl snuff video from Pakistan. They have other videos from the USSR, Chechnya, various African national civil wars, and other places. Add in their collection of 9/11 video (the raw footage - little of the 'expert opinions' that came after). Ever seen humanity unedited by civilization?

Most people have no clue how sheltered they are in the US. The violence on TV is NOTHING compared to what goes on in the rest of the planet.

If you think that such items as the 'geneva convention' or 'civilization' will protect you, I can dissuade you from those views. There is a thin line between everyone on this board and chaos, and that line is defended primarly by the US Government.

I can respect those who argue against the Iraqi and/or Afganistan wars on the grounds of method, but I refuse to respect those who argue against the end. I may end up sounding racist but their 'culture' (or whatever the PC term is right now) isn't compatable with mine, and thus one has to go.