American and American Eagle

[Cleared Direct]

Geez Cleared Direct lighten up before you blow a gasket!

I made a simple mistake in a lengthy post and I stand corrected... But in no way was I "attempting to give misinformation" or "spew BS." Could you not simply post the correction and leave out the childishly snide remarks?

As a matter of fact I have read Letter 3/Supp W since I work under the same 16 year contract as you do.

Since I do know who you are the next time we cross paths I promise I'll give you the opportunity to express your hate at my attempt to answer a question in person. In the meantime I suggest you tone down your virulent postings. You're making all of us at Eagle look bad.

TCAS

I would not characterize it as a simple mistake. There is a big difference in bidding seniority under your explaination if any more Eagle pilots actually did flow through to AA. I apologize if I came across as childish or snide. Misinformation is a terrible thing, and even led to that crazy 16 year contract you talked about. You might of meant well in your attempt to explain the situation, but the end result is you spread more misinformation. My hate is toward your misinformation not you. It does not matter if you are my best friend, it is still misinformation. I believe that Eagle pilots posting misinformation makes us look bad not Eagle pilots correcting misinformation.

 

[pipejockey]

Could someone tell me how the Eagle pay rates are arrived at? I understand that they compare Eagle rates to rates at other regional code-sharing partners. What airlines do they use to compare and at what value in relation to those other airlines are used?

 

[FO 4 Life]

AAflyer-

I can understand how you feel about the 100 seat aircraft. Eagle ALPA sending a letter to management about us flying them was caused by the APA. Part of the concessionary agreement was domestic codeshare. Check with your union officials and see what they say. The APA gave AMR the ability to have unlimited domestic codeshare with a few caveats. So Eagle ALPA merely submitted a proposal to discuss flying the aircraft in order to keep it on AMR property. If you would rather CHQ, TSA, or someone else to fly it instead of Eagle, that is your choice. We're just trying to help AMR, AA, and Eagle keep money where it belongs.

 

[AAflyer]

FO 4 Life,

Where does it stop, 100 seat aircraft are no longer feeding anything, you have become a full blown major airline. Does AMR then say they can't afford flying the 737 and Eagle flys that. Where is my protection.

I am actually not to worred about the letter EGL sent. It is our flying and we will perform it. APA did not push EGL into doing anything. It is merely a chance to seize flying. Since the majors will not hire for a long time and the regionals effectively become there own majors they will try to get anything and everything.

Let's atleast be clear about the situation. I would rather work out a pay rate comparable to JB and Airtan to capture that flying on our side of the fence. In fact our rates are not that far off now.

Southwest is interested in flying 100 seaters as well. If there are other major airlines and LLCs (growing rapidily) off the 100 seat market why shouldn't AA.

Let's leave Eagle as the feeder it was desgined for, or spin them off and become your own airline, like ACA.

AA

 

[TCAS]

Let's leave Eagle as the feeder it was desgined for, or spin them off and become your own airline, like ACA.

AA

Be careful what you wish for AAflyer... If AMR spins off Eagle then Eagle can fly those 737's to "feed" AA under the new domestic codeshare concessions that APA agreed to in your new contract.

TCAS

 

[G4G5]

IMHO,

You will never see AMR mgt relinquish the power, of controlling their domestic feed.

What you will see is an IPO divesting upto 49%

 

[AA717driver]

AAflyer--good post on the fortunes of pilots in general.

I knew about AMR's culture and had no desire to work there. I am amazed that people spend their entire careers pissed off and battleing the scumbags at Centerpork.

I agree, AMR has made this "just a job" and it's a shame.TC

 

[Draginass]

You can bet that the plan is already in place to dumb-down 100 seat flying at AA or give it away to AE altogether. And the sad part is John Darrah and the senior captains will want to do it. The conversation's going to something like this:

AA: Guys, we just can't afford the lump sum retirement. It's killin' us competitively. It's going to have to go away . . . that's a fact. BUT, I really want to keep our A-fund in place for you senior guys so you can retire like you deserve. BUT, I'm going to need some relief on 100 seat flying. We all need to get that 100 seat compensation down to incremental Eagle levels in order to grow, or I'm going to have to code share it out to remain competitive. So, let's say $80 an hour for a 100 seat captain with the same great benefits that we have at AE already . . . . and don't worry, those junior guys that are on furlough can't vote on the contract anyway, so make sure you take care of ol' number 1 first. I think we have a chance of seeing this through. Come on. Let's get this done next week.

APA: You say us senior guys won't get hurt too much more and we can keep the junior guys and military LOA out of the voting?. . . . where do we sign.

 

[mach zero]

I predict that the 100 seat flying will NOT go to AE or AA. They are both way too expensive. Freedom Air is setting industry precendent on payscales for these aircraft with them operating the CRJ 900 on behalf of Cactus. Since AA gave away domestic codeshare with the concessions I look for the 100 seaters to go to an ultracheap third party. However, AMR mgmnt will pit the AA and AE pilots against each other over this issue first.

My 2 cents.