American 77 Pentagon Crash Video Released

[1800 RVR]

The aliens took them away.

 

[mrnolmts]

...Next, if we had shot down that 757, where did it come down?

Not that it proves/disproves anything, but not all conspiracy theorists believe it was shot down. Some believe it either never took off,
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm
or it was diverted to somewhere, and the people/plane "disposed" of (extremely far fetched and very unlikely, but definitely possible).

...Also, think about all those who would have to be complicit in the conspiracy...

Arguable point, but I agree that it'd be a hard thing to keep secret, especially given the amount of leaks this administration have endured.

...including a Navy guy I know and have spoken to... ...fire which they absolutely described as burning from the unmistakable smell of jet fuel (kerosene)....

Then there are the eyewitnesses who swear they smelled cordite...
http://www.911review.com/attack/pentagon/witnesses.html
Oh, who to believe... lol

...but there is no way we shot down that 757 or that a missle strike did that damage.

I can't argue with you, because I don't have enough knowledge to know how much damage a missile could do to the Pentagon.

All in all, I tend to agree with you. A government conspiracy is too scary of a scenario, given the serious consequences it'd have for this great country we live in. However, I must also admit I find the conspiracy theories quite fascinating, and they *do* raise some poignant questions. Questions that make me raise an eyebrow or two... I'm having fun reading them

 

[Green]

At the very least it was an absolutely incredible piece of airmanship on behalf of the hijacker to pull off the attack. If you look up the ground track the 757 does a descending 180 and then levels off at something ridiculous like 2 or 3 feet off the ground until impact. All at an incredibly high groundspeed without contacting the ground until just before impact.

Not bad for a guy that was deemed totally incompetent by his former instructor. I guess if you think you're going to have 100 virgins waiting for you in the afterlife you can do just about anything.

 

[pipejockey]

There had to be people out and about that clear day who saw a speeding low flying aircraft. Why don't they speak up?

 

[Grommet]

I was in the building that day and felt the impact. I have friends that saw the plane impact.

The reason its hard to get it on tape or to get rocksolid eyewitnesses is that the plane was moving very fast in a place that no one was looking for it. If you are looking perpendicular to the flight path ,like that security camera or the average driver on the highway, the time the full speed airplane is in your field of view is just a fraction of a second. Without an expectation of it being an airplane, it takes all your brain bytes just to figure out that it is an airplane. You just don't have time to make a more positvive ID.

 

[malterf15]

100 Virgins?

Is it 100 virgins now? Is that virginflation?
What do female suicide bombers look forward to?
I didn't think lesbian orgies were approved of in Islam.
Or maybe they get lots of dead David Spades.

 

[8vATE]

the math behind the speed..

So a couple of cheap time lapsed cameras can't photograph a 350-400 kt
B-757?

Let's see..

Say doing some rough math
Assuming 400 mph.

The 757 would travel about 3.5 times its length each SECOND.
Look at the video again and picture a 757 flying through 3.5 times it length in each frame of video.

And apparently the terrorist did a hell of a job flying it.
LOW and he did hit some things on the ground on the way in.

I don't think this government could pull off a conspiracy as complicated as hiding a 757 shootdown.

FWIW.

 

[Patriot328]

So a couple of cheap time lapsed cameras can't photograph a 350-400 kt
B-757?

Let's see..

Say doing some rough math
Assuming 400 mph.

The 757 would travel about 3.5 times its length each SECOND.
Look at the video again and picture a 757 flying through 3.5 times it length in each frame of video.

And apparently the terrorist did a hell of a job flying it.
LOW and he did hit some things on the ground on the way in.

I don't think this government could pull off a conspiracy as complicated as hiding a 757 shootdown.

FWIW.

STFU... logic serves no purpose in this thread

 

[vetteracer]

I was in the building that day and felt the impact. I have friends that saw the plane impact.

The reason its hard to get it on tape or to get rocksolid eyewitnesses is that the plane was moving very fast in a place that no one was looking for it. If you are looking perpendicular to the flight path ,like that security camera or the average driver on the highway, the time the full speed airplane is in your field of view is just a fraction of a second. Without an expectation of it being an airplane, it takes all your brain bytes just to figure out that it is an airplane. You just don't have time to make a more positvive ID.

Correct, and the cyclic rate or frame rate of the camera in use is typical of a security camera, about half the rate of a camcorder. So you are not going to see much, as the frame rate is to slow.

 

[UALjan15]

I don't find anything particularly credible in any of the Flt 77 conspiracy theories. Nor do I see anything that shakes my faith in the "official story."

What did catch my attention was the discussion about the collapse of WTC 7 on the website http://www.wtc7.net/ . I remember the collapse and some pictures of the damage it took from WTC 1 collapse, but never gave it a whole lot of thought. After looking at the videos of the collapse, man, it looks EXACTLY like footage I've watched of numerous old Vegas hotels being demolished. That, combined with the hasty disposal of evidence and lack of any detailed investigation, and you've got the basis for a pretty good conspiracy theory

 

[frog_flyer]

I don't find anything particularly credible in any of the Flt 77 conspiracy theories. Nor do I see anything that shakes my faith in the "official story."

What did catch my attention was the discussion about the collapse of WTC 7 on the website http://www.wtc7.net/ . I remember the collapse and some pictures of the damage it took from WTC 1 collapse, but never gave it a whole lot of thought. After looking at the videos of the collapse, man, it looks EXACTLY like footage I've watched of numerous old Vegas hotels being demolished. That, combined with the hasty disposal of evidence and lack of any detailed investigation, and you've got the basis for a pretty good conspiracy theory

well, the TOWERS resembled a building implosion too!

 

[UALjan15]

well, the TOWERS resembled a building implosion too!

Nah, not to me....I thought the collapse looked consistent with the "pancaking" theory. But watching #7 come down just looks too perfect. Not that I'm buying into the conspiracy, but there are some things that make you go "hmmmm."

 

[El-Rushbo]

There had to be people out and about that clear day who saw a speeding low flying aircraft. Why don't they speak up?

You obviously did zero research before posting this, which pretty much sums up your intelligence level. Take 5 seconds next time for an internet search before you post crap. It will make you seem more intelligent, at least.

 

[ReverseSensing]

I don't think this government could pull off a conspiracy as complicated as hiding a 757 shootdown.

This is the most salient point in this thread. Hell, this government can't even manage a press leak properly, much less cobble together a cover-up of a 757 shootdown.

This administration may be morally and intellectually bankrupt, but even I don't think they are dastardly enough to pull off what some of you are suggesting.

 

[AerroMatt]

OK, lets face these conspiracy theories:

A missile hit the Pentagon.

The planes that hit the WTC were pilotless drones controlled by some helicopter during their terminal trajectory.

NASA never put men on the moon. It was all done using mirrors.

A carburetor that would make cars get 100MPG was bought by the oil companies and destroyed so they wouldn't be put out of business.

A UFO actually crash-landed at Roswell NM in 1947. The Air Force conducted autopsies on the bodies of the aliens from the crash, and constructed their own flying saucers.

After a while, I get a headache from all this paranoia. The internet simply has allowed any kook who isn't taking his medication a forum to broadcast his dementia to the world. This is quickly picked up by other paranoids who aren't in treatment or aren't taking their meds also and rebroadcast further. Eventually, enough paranoids are spewing their dementia that some normal (but gullible) people start wondering whether the paranoids are correct. They start spreading it thinking it might be true and before you know it, the press has picked up on it and is reporting this dementia as fact. This is how such fantasies come to be believed in by so many.

I for one think that journalists (and anyone who reads news or watches TV news) should be issued a shock-proof Bull$hit Detector and trained in its proper use. Were this done, these conspiracy theories would die a quiet death in the padded cells of insane asylums. Until this happens, let the buyer beware.

Let me give two more examples:

"The sky is Falling!" Chicken Little

Do you believe me?

How about this one: Pigs do fly... They just don't show up on RADAR!

I for one am investing in Kevlar-reinforced umbrellas to protect myself from the falling Pig$hit that is sure to come down any second.