America West/USAirways seniority list ??

[FR8mastr]

All I can say is good luck to all and I hope there is not any furloughs!

There are guys being furloughed, all the current 170 pilots at Airways are being shown the door.

 

[LearLove]

Learlove that Porky's sign is classic dude. Just saw it on tv the other nite, one of the more underrated flicks of our time.

I found it a about 3 years ago while snowed into my apartment in SYR one day. I was watching the movie on cable and surfing the net at the same time so it "yahooed" the movie and found a site with sign on it and copied it to here.

 

[LearLove]

There are guys being furloughed, all the current 170 pilots at Airways are being shown the door.

O hey look at this, another MDA guy. According to that Jetmonkey guy we have no bizz here. Fr8 how dare you post.

The MDA FA's are also getting the big screw too. AWA needs to hire FA's now and came to U and said lets just take furloughed U FA's so we don't have to hire from the street. U said OK until they figured that many of the senior u fa's are at MDA and would have to offer the AWA positions in senority order. The problem is that the FA's would leave faster than Rep could take the 170's thus MDA would be left without FA's. So the company went back to AWA and said to hire from the street and they would just furlough the current MDA FA's as planes leave and tried to cover their tracks but this week the FA group uncovered the U coverup. Just another big mess.

 

[Cactus73]

The latest on the table is DOH until 1979 (all US Air) then 1 for 1 after that.

U APL guys tacked on the bottom after 1 for 1.

All MDA guys (especially CEL MDA guys) are getting tossed out if the current U mec has their way.

TOTALLY UNTRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THERE IS NOTHING ON THE TABLE!!!!

Yes, I'm screaming because you have totally incorrect info.

The AWA MEC passed your MEC an offer along these lines. The two merger committee's had NOTHING to do with the offer. The AAA MEC unanimously rejected the offer and told the AWA MEC that they would like to let the two merger committee's formulate the list through the use of the ALPA administrative manual section 45. The transition agreement approved by both MEC's has conditions on the seniority integration process to be used, the timetable to negotiate a merged contract, and procedures for hiring furloughed AAA pilots at AWA.

The only thing the two merger committee's have done is to work on certifying the lists. PERIOD.

There are no offers on the table.

Where do you guys come up with these complete BS ratios and claim they are on the table?

 

[LearLove]

TOTALLY UNTRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THERE IS NOTHING ON THE TABLE!!!!

Yes, I'm screaming because you have totally incorrect info.

The AWA MEC passed your MEC an offer along these lines. The two merger committee's had NOTHING to do with the offer. The AAA MEC unanimously rejected the offer and told the AWA MEC that they would like to let the two merger committee's formulate the list through the use of the ALPA administrative manual section 45. The transition agreement approved by both MEC's has conditions on the seniority integration process to be used, the timetable to negotiate a merged contract, and procedures for hiring furloughed AAA pilots at AWA.

The only thing the two merger committee's have done is to work on certifying the lists. PERIOD.

There are no offers on the table.

Where do you guys come up with these complete BS ratios and claim they are on the table?

easy there champ, take the word "table" out and put in something else. If i'm not mistaken it was in one of thoes ALPA update emails. Geez.

 

[Cactus73]

easy there champ, take the word "table" out and put in something else. If i'm not mistaken it was in one of thoes ALPA update emails. Geez.

Just a little emotional because false rumors tend to spread like wildfire amongst the pilot group and do way more harm than good.

The ALPA update was from one of your LEC's. They basically talked about what went on during the PIT meeting and how they rejected the seniority offer from the AWA MEC.

Since they rejected the offer and no new ones were made - There is NOTHING on the table.

I urge you to call members of the merger committee at AAA or AWA and they will tell you the same thing. They want to certify the lists according to ALPA merger policy before they even begin talking integration.

This could be a long process. We are all along for the ride.

 

[LearLove]

I urge you to call members of the merger committee at AAA or AWA and they will tell you the same thing. They want to certify the lists according to ALPA merger policy before they even begin talking integration.

This could be a long process. We are all along for the ride.

I should be getting my furlough notice for Nov. sometime next week, I really don't think the AAA merger committee gives a crapola what I think. Its almost "Game Over" time for LearLove.

O and BTW, as if its just par of the course, we MDA guys were due about 2 months of furlough pay but now the company says NO to that. And to top it off there is potential for us PA state guys that they (the state) could deny us unemployment for several reasons because of the situation with Rep/J4J.

 

[LearLove]

Sorry to hear that you are getting furloughed, but why didn't you take the job offer at CHQ?

because as a group, we MDA guys are standing together until the results of the arbirtation come out. If we win then good (however that opens another can of worms) if we don't win then each MDA guy can decide for himself if they want to go if the offer is still available which in itself is but another can of worms among many others.

 

[FR8mastr]

All Or None!!!!

 

[RichardFitzwell]

THERE IS NOTHING ON THE TABLE!!!!

Cactus,

Thank you for answering my original question.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Why does everyone keep saying that America West is buying US?


A group of investors are buying both company's!!! Without the investors neither airline had a great chance of surviving.

No one AIRLINE is buying the other.

Not true partner. Now I know how you feel so I won't throw gasoline on an already burning fire. It's true regarding the investors but keep in mind who and what they are loaning to. AAA couldn't secure financing of that magnatude on their own. It was AWA management that did that. Now concering our CEO making statements of our demise in the failure of this merger. Doug is pretty good at painting a dim picture in order to scare workers into package that he desires. The truth is we were and are posting profits and companies that are doing that just don't file bankruptcy the next yr!! Doug enjoys reading his own press, don't believe the hype...

WD.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Whiskey!! Glad to see yer still around, haven't heard from you in a while....

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Whiskey!! Glad to see yer still around, haven't heard from you in a while....

Thanks Grog, yeah I am still around. Been busy inhouse with our board. You know how it is!!

WD.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Go to Yahoo Aviation, WSJ, or New York Times news and type in these key words: America West + Aquiring + US Airways and you'll find several articles explaining the fact that America West is aquiring US Airways.

Case closed.

 

[Focus]

I heard AAA Pilots will be hired by AWA and retain all their benefits from longevity to Non Rev Passes. Is this true? Is AWA really hiring the AAA furloughees in place of the guys in the pool? Are the AAA New Hires at AWA going to be able to retain their recall rights at USAIR?

What about this Rumor. Anybody with an answer would be considerd more informed then the AAA furloughees.

KUMBIYA.......

 

[LittleDeuce]

AAA Pilots to AWA

I heard AAA Pilots will be hired by AWA and retain all their benefits from longevity to Non Rev Passes. Is this true? Is AWA really hiring the AAA furloughees in place of the guys in the pool? Are the AAA New Hires at AWA going to be able to retain their recall rights at USAIR?

What about this Rumor. Anybody with an answer would be considerd more informed then the AAA furloughees.

KUMBIYA.......

Yes, its true. As part of the Transition Agreement that was signed. Furloughed AAA pilots will be hired at AWA. They will start at the bottom of the list until the seniority integration is worked out.

They will however come with thier seniority for pay and have an 18 month lock.

I am not sure if AWA has pilots in the pool. Do they? How many? I know it must be disappointing for them if there are some but I would think they are not considered "hired" until they are on the property.

 

[TWA Dude]

I am not sure if AWA has pilots in the pool.

If AWA even keeps the poolies' names none of them would have a chance until all USA furloughees have been offered recall. They're just victims of circumstance.

 

[Jimdandy]

I heard the opposite that AWA and AAA is pushing hard for no recall rights. Simply put they don't want to pay those higher longevity pay rates Also don't want a bunch of guys coming back with only 7 years left in their flying career. But to seal a deal they might just drop that request.

 

[TWA Dude]

Jimdandy: that's a false rumor.

 

[Jimdandy]

a rumor by any definition is simply conjecture by anyone so it is imossible to be false

 

[Focus]

What is the purpose of the 18 month lock for the AAA furloughed pilot?

 

[TWA Dude]

a rumor by any definition is simply conjecture by anyone so it is imossible to be false

Fine. There's no truth to the rumor.

What is the purpose of the 18 month lock for the AAA furloughed pilot?

Those pilots will be trained to the AWA ops certificate and thus to "go back" to USA would require full-course retraining.

 

[Cactus73]

a rumor by any definition is simply conjecture by anyone so it is imossible to be false

Whatever you want to call it, your information is wrong.

AAA pilots will be recalled to AWA in seniority order. We have this in writing in our transition agreement. As previously mentioned - 18 month lock. AAA pilots bring longevity for pay.

They do not give up any of their rights in the integration process and will be given a new seniority number once the lists are merged. They are to be added to a third seniority list at AWA.

 

[Focus]

Why would they ever want to go back to USAIR?

 

[JetMonkey]

Why would they ever want to go back to USAIR?

Uh, well maybe for some it would be a chance to work for a major that will give them a good career?

 

[Focus]

I should have been more clear with my question. Why would a USAIR Furloughee who was given a job at AWA want to go back to the Original USAIR? That just makes no sense to me unless there would be some type of benefit to justify the move such as senority number with the new USAIR.

 

[FR8mastr]

I think your forgetting it will all be us air. I dont know the whole time span, or even if they have set one yet, but when its all done its all the same. They only have the seat lock thing in so they dont have to retrain people over and over again. Eventually it will all be the same training and then it does not matter.

 

[Focus]

Is this the Scenario?

Im aware of the ultimate business objective. My question concerns senority integration. Example: Furloughed USAIR Pilot accepts job at AWA yet still retains recall rights at his former company, USAIR in the future should he decide to excercise this option. Is it possible that AWA Pilots could find themselves not only behind the furloughed USAIR Pilot but additionaly they could be left at the end of a list that would have seen more hiring without the merger, hence exposing the AWA Pilot as Furlough Fodder??


AWA has been in a hiring mode right up to the announcement of the merger with USAIR whereas the latter has been in a downsizing mode with many Furloughed. It would seem that anyone on furlough at present would not be placed above the most junior pilot on active duty at either airline.

 

[FR8mastr]

As of today 27th, if it happens there will be no recall to the old company, as it will be the same company. All the details still need to be worked out. But my understanding is the furloughed pilot (new hire at am west today) will be treated as a 1st year guy (not pay) until the integration is complete. At that time he will move (seniority wise) to wherever he would have been furloughed or not as per the integration. I dont know how this integration will work out but in the long run taking the job at AM West prior to complete integration will not effect his position. The am west guys will not be at the bottom of the list no matter what. There are to many furloughed U guys plus the 300 at MDA that will get those honors. I hope this aswered your question.

 

[TWA Dude]

Why would a USAIR Furloughee who was given a job at AWA want to go back to the Original USAIR?

To get back to his original base. Keep in mind also that the inevitable fences will give a super-seniority for ex-AWAers in PHX and LAS and USAers in PHL-PIT-CLT-DCA.