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mvi

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No offense to anyone who works there. I would like to know the basic information about a pilot position there:

FO pay
Schedules
Days off
Retirement
time to upgrade
how long on reserve

I here so many bad things about Am West. Are they all true? Why does everyone I talk to that works there hate it?

Thanks in advance.
 
I here so many bad things about Am West. Are they all true? Why does everyone I talk to that works there hate it?

Save yourself the trouble and worry, simple solution is not to apply. Plenty of people that "want" to go to AWA, no worries in filling the positions....

Funny you say "everyone", I have not heard many negative comments at all.


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Like I said I didn't want to offend anyone. I guess your not going to give me the info. Ok, what is good about America West? I'll take that.
 
I would suggest first and foremost doing a search on AWA on this board, many threads have been posted relating to your questions. I then would go to americawest.com then under investor relations and take a look for yourself.

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350,

Cut the guy some slack. This is an informational forum. True that he should always do a search, but providing a little info on your part instead of slamming him wouldn't be a bad thing.


MVI,

I don't work there but I hear a lot of great things. The company has had a rocky history, but things are getting better. Flying an A319/20 out of sunny PHX wouldn't be so bad... PM a guy named Whisky Driver (use the Search function above to find him) and he will give you the info. you are looking for - and he seems very happy to be there... I know quite a few people there and most are pretty optimistic about the future as things continue to improve.
 
Thanks Heavy Set I will do that. For that others guys info I did do a search on these and the AM West website I was just hoping for some inside info.
 
Any America West Drivers out there. I'm trying to get in touch with two old collegues that are now working there. If anyone knows Ken Kelly (ex ALG) or Blake Gawel (ex ALG), can you ask them to PM me at: [email protected]. Thanks to all.
 
Hey Tab Express F/O, or should I say 'future pay-for-training F/O', you should at least wait until you wash your uniform for the first time before you rag on someone, especially someone who probably has more years of experience than you are old.
 
Tab

Once again you prove what a tool you are. Go fly your King Air and then hop into that awesome 1900 C that Colgan sold to you guys. Enjoy it while you can.

By the way.. Riddle graduates are generally considered pond scum by many people.. You however, are the crap found at the bottom of the scum.
 
Tab F/O:

I'll even agree with you that Riddle has produced some of the biggest aviation geeks on this earth, but I don't think any of them can touch you. I could care less that you pay for training. I've flown with some ex-Gulfstream pilots who were good guys. I don't agree with what you guys have done(pft), but that's just my opinion. The biggest thing I'm concerned with when I fly with someone is if I can actually stand sitting next to them for four days. In your case, that would be a definite NO!

You will find that your little smart a$$ attitude is going to make you the joke of any pilot group you join. Every company has a few of your kind, and I'm glad that you guys exist. Without having people such as yourself to rip on all day, I just don't know what we would do.

Best case scenario is you'll be mocked by all with whom you work. Worst case for you will be having your mouth get you fired. Either way, you should provide some entertainment for all of us.

Thanks!
 
mvi,

There are a lot worse places to work. They have some recent improvements in their contract including a modest B fund and small pay raises. They have lengthened their reserve callout
(I think it is now 2 hours), and most importantly have the most competent management team they have ever had. Time to upgrade is always extremely variable but no way will it be less than 5-7 years unless they undertake a serious growth plan.

The majority of their pilots have solid backgrounds and are fun to fly with. Having said that, there is a percentage of pilots with huge chips on their shoulder, and you will fly with them (350 seems to be one example). THey can turn a four day trip into eternity.

Do NOT plan on commuting to this job (iaw you will live in PHX to have any QOL) and you could have a decent career here - especially if the majors do not recover in a significant way.

Just my Opinion,
murk
 
Tab, you need to do all of us a favor and just shut up. You have no business on this thread. As someone who is very interested in working at America West, I was hoping (like mvi) that this would be an informative thread, not an avenue for your worthless dribble.

Please get over yourself. You're an unfortunate byproduct of the pilot population.

I'm pretty sure 350 doesn't work for HP either? I think he's at Mesa...correct?

MVI,

I've heard 10% growth per year for the forseeable future. They just got a 7% raise and will get another 4% in a couple years. Work rules...something like 5.25 per day rig and 1 for 2 on duty time. That's way better than my company. Good 401K matching. There's also some sort of yearly contribution kind of like comair's system but a higher percentage. They're now on a 12 bid period year instead of the 28 day cycle for bidding/schedules. No more positive or negative banking of anything above your gaurantee...so if you have 90 credit hrs in a month, that's what you get paid instead of it going into a bank. Apparently, there's now the option to drop your scheudle down to a certain limit (60 hrs??) so if you want to fly less (i.e. more time off, less pay), that's now an option.

FO pay is around 38$ to start and 50 something the next year...tops out at 80 something??

FO for 5-8 years depending on growth, etc...at least that's what i'm guessing.

Schedules are built by preferential bidding. So it's really, what you like and what your seniority can hold. I would assume that a mix of 3 and 4 day trips with 14-18 days off per month would be pretty common and is they type of schedule that the people I know there fly.

Time on reserve would be totally up to growth and hiring. 2 years or so?

For me, living in Phoenix already and no intentions to ever leave, America West is an absolute ideal. My connections there love it. The company has been know to hire some low timers with a good internal LOR. Pretty much anywhere you go, though, there's the "i hate my job" "I hate this company" types. And there's also the Tab "wholier than though" types that somehow make it through the system and no one knows why. That's just the airlines.

For a lot of people America West isn't desirable, but for some of us it's a great fit because we love this part of the country and the flying that HP does...these are quality of life factors that are important to us...more so than big pensions, huge paychecks, etc. There's nothing more i'd like than to fly a "bus" for Cactus and drive to and from work. I look forward to working with y'all sooner than later.

Hope that helps, and FYI, all of the info in here is strictly from memory...but most of it should be pretty accurate.
 
PositiveRate:
350DRIVER is a new-hire at HP. Also, your memory is pretty darn good and your information is pretty accurate.

mvi:
As it's already been said, there was a time that HP was struggling to have a happy workforce. Over the past few years, it has steadily improved. As with any airline, there are a bunch of great folks and a few culls (those that need to be cut from the herd).
Speaking from experience, reserve (on the B757) is "expected" to last around a couple of years (histroically). However, as a pretty junior FO (< 1 year), I will be holding a line next month with 14 days off (15 if you don't count the PT).

As I've already told so many folks, "I'm happier than a pig in poop, here at America West".
 
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Lines for March went junior. Airbus lines were awarded to pilots on property total of 6 mos. from date of hire and 737 and 757 about a year. Junior lines are 13 days off in a 31 day month and around 85-90 hours. Of course, you don't have to be a lineholder- I got reserve because thats the way I like it.
 
Can someone explain that thing about being able to drop your line down below gaurantee. Is that a staffing availble thing or is a contractual gaurantee?

Sounds like reserve isn't nearly as long as I thought it would be. How is it on reserve anyway? A lot of flying? are there different types of callouts besides the 2 hr one?

Thanks.
 
Someone posted that commuting was not much of an option at HP. I have a good friend who has been there for 7 years and commutes from Chicago . . . never heard him complain. He usually commutes in the same day he starts, and finishes up on a red-eye or EMO, form what he has told me.
 
Dam I miss pref bidding. What % of trips are 1-2-3-4-5 etc? Does it matter what plane for the length of trips? Which is junior/senior?

Thanks

Steve
 
Heavy Set said:
350,

Cut the guy some slack. This is an informational forum. True that he should always do a search, but providing a little info on your part instead of slamming him wouldn't be a bad thing.


MVI,

I don't work there but I hear a lot of great things. The company has had a rocky history, but things are getting better. Flying an A319/20 out of sunny PHX wouldn't be so bad... PM a guy named Whisky Driver (use the Search function above to find him) and he will give you the info. you are looking for - and he seems very happy to be there... I know quite a few people there and most are pretty optimistic about the future as things continue to improve.

Hey HS. I was lurking in the background but decided not post because I thought this was turning into the TAB line!!! Couple of things to add there is a post down the string that say commuting is not poss. Untrue many many commuters and it works well. Second the pay raise was 11% not 7%. The growth continues, I just left PHX this evening and saw that on monday a class of 31 yup that's right 31 new hires will start. HP is starting to move in the right direction and with a little time I think that it will be much better than it was in the past.

WD.
 
Whiskey,

Would you mind explaining the provision which allows you to drop time? I have heard it mentioned a couple times but no details. Is this available to everybody or just senior fo's, and what about reserves? Also, how long does it generally take from filling out app to interview. Thanks!
 
MW44 said:
Whiskey,

Would you mind explaining the provision which allows you to drop time? I have heard it mentioned a couple times but no details. Is this available to everybody or just senior fo's, and what about reserves? Also, how long does it generally take from filling out app to interview. Thanks!

MW44, So as not to sound too stupid because I just don't know let me research that and to get back to you.

WD.
 
John,

Sorry I could not send via the pm, would not go through for some reason. The following is some of the information, you can read it in full text on the site. TJ is at ATA not AWA..
America West Reports Fourth Quarter and 2003 Results


Highlights include:

* Net income for the Company's fourth quarter 2003 was $6.8 million
or $0.13 diluted earnings per share vs. a net loss of $52.0 million
or $1.54 per share in the same quarter in 2002. Excluding special
items, the Company's fourth quarter 2003 net income was $10.6 million
or $0.20 diluted earnings per share.

* For the full year 2003, the Company reported net income of
$57.4 million or $1.29 diluted earnings per share vs. a net loss of
$387.9 million or $11.50 per share for the prior year. Excluding
special items, the Company reported a net loss for 2003 of
$10.1 million or $0.29 per share vs. a net loss of $206.4 million
or $6.13 per share during 2002.

* Operating costs per available seat mile (CASM) declined 2.5 percent
from the airline's fourth quarter 2002 despite an 8.5 percent increase
in average fuel price. Excluding fuel and special items, CASM declined
by 8.8 percent from the airline's fourth quarter 2002.

* The Company reported record total cash and investments of
$629.5 million, of which $516.7 million was unrestricted, at the end of
the 2003. This is the highest cash balance in the Company's history.


PHOENIX, Jan. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- America West Holdings Corporation (NYSE: AWA), parent company of America West Airlines, Inc., today reported fourth quarter 2003 net income of $6.8 million or $0.13 per diluted earnings per share. This compares to a net loss of $52.0 million or $1.54 per share for the same period last year. Excluding special items, the Company reported net income of $10.6 million or $0.20 per diluted earnings per share during its fourth quarter 2003. The special items for the fourth quarter 2003 include a charge related to a new labor agreement between the airline and the Air Line Pilots Association, offset by gains on the sale of two investments, and a credit related to the settlement of disputed billings under the Company's frequent flyer program. See the accompanying notes in the Financial Tables section of this press release for a reconciliation of the pro forma results excluding the special items to Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) results.

For the full year 2003, the Company reported net income of $57.4 million or $1.29 per diluted earnings per share, as compared to a net loss of $387.9 million or $11.50 per share for 2002. Excluding special items, the Company reported a net loss of $10.1 million or $0.29 per share for 2003, which compares to a net loss of $206.4 million or $6.13 per share during 2002. In addition to the special items for the fourth quarter, special items for full year 2003 included $81.3 million of security fee reimbursement from the federal government.

"Our fourth quarter earnings are the result of 13,000 outstanding people working together to transform America West into a successful, low fare carrier of choice for our customers," said Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Doug Parker. "As one of a very select group of airlines to be profitable for each of the last three quarters, we enter 2004 with tremendous momentum and enthusiasm and believe we are properly positioned for success in a rapidly evolving industry. We plan to expand our capacity in 2004 by eight to 10 percent and expect to report a profit for the year."

America West Airlines' Fourth Quarter and 2003 Revenue and Cost Performance

Operating revenues for the fourth quarter 2003 increased 7.7 percent to $554.3 million from $514.5 million for 2002. The airline's revenue passenger miles (RPMs) during its fourth quarter 2003 increased 4.3 percent to 5.3 billion on a one percent increase in capacity. This resulted in a record fourth quarter 2003 load factor of 75.5 percent, an increase of 2.3 points over the airline's fourth quarter 2002 load factor of 73.2 percent.

Operating revenues for the full year 2003 increased 10.1 percent to $2.2 billion from $2.0 billion during 2002. The airline's full year 2003 RPMs increased 7.1 percent to 21.3 billion on increased capacity of 3.3 percent. The airline generated a record load factor of 76.4 percent during 2003, 2.8 points above the load factor generated during 2002.

Passenger revenue per available seat mile (RASM) during the fourth quarter 2003 increased 4.3 percent to 7.46 cents despite a 7.4 percent increase in average stage length. Passenger yields during the same period increased one percent to 9.88 cents. For the airline's full-year 2003, RASM increased 6.2 percent to 7.58 cents, despite a 5.9 percent increase in average stage length, while yields improved 2.3 percent to 9.93 cents.

The airline's operating expenses in the fourth quarter 2003 decreased 1.5 percent to $544.6 million. Continued cost diligence and increased capacity resulted in a 2.5 percent decrease in the airline's cost per available seat mile (CASM) in the fourth quarter 2003. On a fuel exclusive basis, the airline's CASM in the fourth quarter 2003 declined 4.3 percent to 6.44 cents. Excluding fuel and special items, the airline's CASM decreased 8.8 percent to 6.20 cents in the fourth quarter 2003.

Operating expenses for the full year 2003 were up slightly to $2.2 billion, while on a unit basis the airline's CASM decreased 2.4 percent to 7.86 cents. Excluding fuel and special items, the airline's CASM for 2003 decreased 6.4 percent to 6.45 cents.

Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Derek Kerr said, "Our increase in average stage length and increased aircraft utilization, combined with other cost saving initiatives, drove unit costs, exclusive of fuel and special items, down by nearly nine percent in our fourth quarter. At the same time, our consumer-friendly pricing structure drove our unit revenue up over four percent despite the longer stage length."

Operational Achievements

For the full year 2003, as reported to the Department of Transportation (DOT), 82.0 percent of the airline's flights arrived within 15 minutes of scheduled arrival time, and 99.0 percent of its flights were completed. America West employees received four monthly performance incentive payments of $50 each during 2003 (through November 2003 as DOT has not issued December 2003 results at this time). The airline's performance incentive program benchmarks certain operational and customer service statistics, as reported to DOT, against competing airlines.

Liquidity

On Dec. 31, 2003, the Company had a record $629.5 million in cash and investments, of which $516.7 million was unrestricted. This compares to $406.5 million in cash on Dec. 31, 2002, of which $360.5 million was unrestricted. The airline's restricted cash includes $42.9 million in a cash collateral account that secures one of the scheduled principal payments under its Air Transportation Stabilization Board (ATSB) loan. During the fourth quarter 2003, the Company maintained a strong cash balance, which positions the airline to meet its first quarter 2004 cash obligations. These obligations include an Enhanced Equipment Trust Certificate (EETC) payment, a guarantee fee, the first principal payment of the airline's ATSB loan and payments due under the airline's new three-year contract with its pilots.

Additional Business Developments

During 2003, America West accomplished several key initiatives, including:

-- Improved profitability by divesting its hub operation in Columbus,
Ohio;

-- Inaugurated service between Phoenix and Memphis, Tenn.; Edmonton,
Canada; Cancun and Monterey, Mexico; and San Jose, Costa Rica;

-- Became the first low-fare airline to win the prestigious "Freddie
Award" for best Elite-Level Program in the United States, Canada and
Latin America;

-- Began its first point-to-point operations by starting nonstop
transcontinental flights between Los Angeles and New York/JFK and
Boston, and between San Francisco and New York/JFK;

-- Enhanced its incremental revenue stream by implementing programs such
as tray table advertising and Web site advertising;

-- Received ratification from the airline's 1,700 pilots for a new
three-year contract that went into effect Dec. 30, 2003;

-- Announced growth plans for 2004, which call for an eight to 10 percent
capacity increase, and to support that growth, the airline plans to
hire approximately 1,000 additional employees and has lease agreements
or letters of intent to acquire four additional Airbus A320 aircraft
to support this growth.


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e120pilot said:
Tab F/O:

I'll even agree with you that Riddle has produced some of the biggest aviation geeks on this earth, but I don't think any of them can touch you.

While we're at it I think e120pilot should keep his mouth shut as well. Don't label everyone based on the exploits a few rotten apples "jakas." It highlights your ignorance.
 
I was wondering if I get lucky enough to get an app from AWA how long it takes from app to interview. I understand there is probably quite a range but what is the range? Also does anyone have any revised numbers on hiring into the future. Thanks.
 
350DRIVER said:
Plenty of people that "want" to go to AWA, no worries in filling the positions....

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Then why are they so paranoid about people leaving at the interview???

if you promise them you won't quit for a "better" airline. you're in baby !!!!!

Am West is probably the most lied to airline. LOL
 
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Auto-throttle,

I have not met or heard of anyone that had walked out of the interview, usually the people who get to that point surely want to be part of HP. Why would they even go to the interview? Would not make much sense... As for the "better airline" comment, I don't think that is a major concern given the present day situation(s).

Am West is probably the most lied to airline. LOL

I would have to disagree... Most on the board can see right through the ones that will not fit the platform that has been set.. Lotsa guys probably "weeded out" though. "LOL"

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Two comments.

One, any carrier that goes east and west can make for crappy sleep quality. I've seen too many Cactus crews getting off an airplane at sunrise after a red-eye and they look beat.

Two, I guess that this goes for any carrier, not just HP, but if you get an application, make sure you update. I got an app in, during the 2000 window and didn't update. HP sent me a letter (2002 I think) asking for me to resubmit if I still wanted to be considered. I resubmitted, but once again didn't update because they weren't hiring, and I really didn't want to make a lateral move anyway. Well, they sent me the "we've removed you from the stack" letter last year. I didn't care, but was puzzled as to why they would remove me from consideration when I had resubmitted at their previous request. The only explanation I received that made any sense says that I didn't show interest because I wasn't updating all of the time. I know of much less experience pilots than myself who were hired in the recent hiring. They were actively pursuing a job at Cactus. They got the interview, I didn't. I'm not gripping, I would most likely not have taken their job even if offered. I am saying that they apparently like to see the applicant show some serious interest. Also, it helps to have inside help.

Good Luck, Cactus has a lot of good people and would appear to be good opportunity at the present time.

enigma
 
350DRIVER said:
Auto-throttle,

usually the people who get to that point surely want to be part of HP. Why would they even go to the interview?

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Dating back to the mid/late 90s, lots of people (some I know) were just showing up to get some practice for the airline of their choice...granted they all are furloughed now from those companies, but that's another argument for another day. cheers

Enjoy PHX in August.
 
Auto-throttle,

I shouldn't even reply to your posts, but I will anyway.

About a year ago you were asking Cactus pilots or anybody who would answer you about AWA's hiring plans. You seemed legitimately interested in getting on at AWA. Now, a year later you are a self-appointed expert on AWA and all you can do is bash the airline and the weather in PHX. Whats up? Get shot down? Better yet, not even invited?

Enjoy Salt Lake in January!
 

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