America West Airline crew arrested KMIA

[avbug]

That tears it. Next time I go through security, I'm not going to stop at a breathalizer test. I'll give them that, gladly. I'm going to bring my own blood sample. And a urine sample. And stool and semen samples. I'm going to bring some old toe nail clippings. Perhaps some nose nuggets. Possibly even an old wisdom tooth. And a birth certificate. And a blessing certificate. And a micky mantle trading card. Possibly an extra box of doughnuts...

 

[ACWild]

It happens in our industry, to think it does not is downright arrogance.

I think you meant downright ignorance. I have heard stories of crews under the influence, although I've never had to deal with them personally. Just because it happens, it doesn't make it o.k. The bottom line is this... Who would you prefer to fly your loved ones around, a drunken pilot or a sober one?
I don't consider myself holier than thou, but I do consider myself a professional. I owe it to my family, passengers, and anyone who might be victimized on the ground.
Imagine explaining to a victims family that you injured or killed their wife or child because you really needed to get buzzed on your overnight.
I personally don't advocate more screening, but I don't think asking for some self-control is asking too much.

 

[Dep676]

I don't know who posted it. But why shouldn't these guys be put in cuffs and sitting in a waiting area? They broke the law and let them pay for it. It takes a real moron to show up with a BAC like that. They must have just not liked there jobs anymore. That's fine there are plenty of guys waiting to take there spots. At least now there will be 2 openings at AW. So get your resume up to date. If the union would even think of trying to get there jobs back. That would be just stupid. The BAC don't lie and any mouth wash isn't going to show up. So throw that theory out the window right now. Are the fired yet? Why not?

 

[dispatchguy]

As an HP employee, this crew deserves the book, the FOM, the nine-thousand linear feet of FARs, and every jeppesen revision ever made thrown at them.

Some things are just TOO stupid, too asinine, to permit. Just like the NWA B727 crew out of FAR back in 1990 (that was the day I also graduated USAF Basic in SAT - I remember the day well), this crew deserves some severe prison time.

I dont give a rats anus if they were both alcoholics under the definition in the ADA, I dont give a rats anus if the met the HP time rule as written the FOM - the FARs also prohibit operation during a known medical deficiency, and being drunk could easily fall (if it doesnt already) within the definition of a known medical deficiency.

I only feel sorry for the crew's families, for they will have to also pay the price for their spouses utter, sheer, and tremendous stupidity.

They made their bed, now they get to lie in it, and get to make prison corners every night.

Have I busted a reg as a dispatcher before? Sure, I'm sure I forgot to record time and initials given for a release amendment at least once in my career - I cant kill anyone when I forget that. Drinking, well.....

Imagine you're requesting a jumpseat ride, and the cockpit smells like the local bar, asinine, simply asinine.

 

[cmrflyer]

Why did it take so long for the cops to get to the plane after security called them? I know you can't push back an Airbus faster than police can run through a terminal!
There must be more to this story...........

We out.

 

[bobbysamd]

Union guy

Good comment about involving your rep in this type of situation. So many people say at interview they would run to Dispatch, or the station Flight Manager, if they must deal with a drunken crewmember. You have to do the right thing by everyone. You have to deal with it, but not be a rat or a$$hole. I know that the answer looked for at interview is how you would handle an untenable situation while showing you're "part of the team."

Just the same, both of these guys exhibited extremely bad judgment. They indeed deserve to have the book thrown at them, legalities aside, for being selfish. Too bad the public might well judge all pilots by the actions of these two guys. I wonder if the public might consider that some pilots don't drink at all (odd, but true).

 

[radiofly er]

Thanks Guys

Boy, flying for a U.S. airline sure sounds like fun!!


Let's admit it these guys ruined the professional reputation of pilot's all over the world. Today, I got in the taxi after a flight, first thing the cab driver said was: " Hey, want a beer?"

Oh, well it only takes a couple to ruin it for everyone.

 

[RunUp]

"Oh my God......a crew went out and got loaded on an overnight. What the he11 is going on here. All of you 121 fliers out there tell me that you have'nt done that and I will call you a liar. It makes me sick seeing these guys handcuffed sitting in a waiting area. Give them a little respect for crying out loud."

I have seen the enemy, and he is us.

 

[radiofly er]

Well, maybe you have'nt flown for an airline yet, but when you're there, you don't do that s@#t.

It's called proffesionalism.

 

[V-1]

Oh my God......a crew went out and got loaded on an overnight. What the he11 is going on here. All of you 121 fliers out there tell me that you have'nt done that and I will call you a liar. It makes me sick seeing these guys handcuffed sitting in a waiting area. Give them a little respect for crying out loud."



Respect is earned, not given. Actions like this are sure to decrease not only respect these pilots have earned, but the respect most other pilots have worked hard to earn. Some of us take our profession a little more seriously than others. Perhaps if you choose to work up to this level in aviation, you'll understand the contempt we feel for those who debase the profession.

Like many of us, I've worked too hard to get to this level to break a rule as easy to comply with as that one. Call me a liar if you wish, but I've never operated an aircraft under the influence and don't forsee that happening in the future, since I've never had an affinity for alcohol.

I hope your flying doesn't display the same "rules don't matter" attitude your post does.

Regards

 

[radiofly er]

Hey, FlyinBrian what ya got in that cup?

 

[FEDUPPILOT]

Ok, My question how does this affect pay for training? LOL just could not resist!

 

[TXflyer]

No big deal

I don't know what the big deal is. If these guys got caught now, I highly doubt it was the "first time" they had been loaded while flying. Hell, I have flown drunk before,as long as you know you have an easy route and no ILS approaches it's no big deal.

 

[avbug]

That was either poor irony, or cheesy flame bait. Either way, I sincerely hope nobody takes it seriously.

 

[flx757]

My vote is for the cheesy flame bait. And agreed.