Altrnate Crew Pairing model at ASA

[ASADriver]

crj567 can babysit if he wants, but I'm with the majority that don't see the problem. Many times my flight attendents go eat somewhere by themselves. They go to the mall by themselves at the overnights. Is that dangerous? crj567 is proof that some pilots just like to complain about everything.

 

[crj567]

crj567 can babysit if he wants, but I'm with the majority that don't see the problem. Many times my flight attendents go eat somewhere by themselves. They go to the mall by themselves at the overnights. Is that dangerous? crj567 is proof that some pilots just like to complain about everything.

I am not complaining about the fact that FAs come and go from place to place-the safety issue is not my primary complaint. The gripe I have is that Jumpersaway seems hold them in such contempt-just look at the nasty way he refers to them. You should read his previous posts-it is very evident that he doesn't value their work or have any empathy for them whatsoever.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Everybody keeps saying that, and I'm not sure how they are coming to this conclusion.

I did a search of all 3 day pairings for next month, and it seems about 1 out of every 5 or so has one layover less than 10 hours of rest. Those that do, it seemed like they were mostly on the high side of 9, so the flight could easily be rescheduled to get 10. The rest of the pairings had longer rest periods, and still had high credit.

And that's if 10 is the rest rule. We don't even know what the rules are yet!

I'm not sure, since I don't build the lines. As far as rescheduling flights, the schedules come from Delta, not us, so no can do. We fly what Delta gives us, which is the primary reason the schedules have degraded so much in the last 4 years. No purity in the schedule = crappy trips that don't repeat week to week.

 

[sweptback]

I'm not sure, since I don't build the lines. As far as rescheduling flights, the schedules come from Delta, not us, so no can do. We fly what Delta gives us, which is the primary reason the schedules have degraded so much in the last 4 years. No purity in the schedule = crappy trips that don't repeat week to week.

My point is, once the rest rules change, the airlines will have to factor in crew needs into their marketing schedule. They have already admitted that this will happen, they're just waiting for the final rule.

I agree that ASA won't have any control over the schedules, but Delta will be having the same issues that we will.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

My point is, once the rest rules change, the airlines will have to factor in crew needs into their marketing schedule. They have already admitted that this will happen, they're just waiting for the final rule.

I agree that ASA won't have any control over the schedules, but Delta will be having the same issues that we will.

Sure, it will make things interesting. Delta has the big advantage of being able to do whatever they want with our schedule, and their own for that matter. No matter what we do, as long as we are a regional we will have to deal with that fact.

 

[Freebrd]

I am not complaining about the fact that FAs come and go from place to place-the safety issue is not my primary complaint.

Sure you are! I bet your gf is a fa huh.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

But what will the FAs do on their days off? Who's gonna look after them then?

 

[HoserASA]

I think it's not a big deal either. The FA will be transported on the hotel van to the hotel. If the FA stays in the hotel to eat, brings own food, or goes somewhere nearby how is that unsafe? Many already leave the hotel to shop etc if they have the time. It's the usual deal, a few vocal minority trying to get everyone concerned about nothing. C'mon you're big girls and boys, you can do this! As a result we have a decent selection of lines next month, so it's good for the pilots!

Hoser
ROLL TIDE!

 

[JumpersAway]

I think it's not a big deal either. The FA will be transported on the hotel van to the hotel. If the FA stays in the hotel to eat, brings own food, or goes somewhere nearby how is that unsafe? Many already leave the hotel to shop etc if they have the time. It's the usual deal, a few vocal minority trying to get everyone concerned about nothing. C'mon you're big girls and boys, you can do this! As a result we have a decent selection of lines next month, so it's good for the pilots!

Hoser
ROLL TIDE!

Ding! Winner winner, chicken dinner!

 

[JumpersAway]

Oh, and CRJ-

For the record, taking care of my crew is the top priority and always has been. However, it's a two way street- on the road, we're a family. If you don't take care of me, I don't take care of you. If you do take care of me and contribute to the "family", I'll break my back to help you out in order to ensure things go smooth for you.

 

[Abernathy]

crj567 is proof that some pilots just like to complain about everything.

It's that complaining that screws it up for the rest of us.

ASA put together a nice ready reserve room with a flat screen, dvd player, recliners, computer and desk. Now people are asking for an XBOX or PS3. People asked for a workout room and ASA put one together with some workout equipment, and I've heard whining (to SH even) that the equipment is too old, and "what's the point in getting sweaty before we go to work".. We used to have great hybrid lines with partial reserve days and partial trips (can't remember what they were called--build up lines? conversion lines?)--someone bitched about something about it and that's why we don't have them anymore.

Maybe just let some of the silly stuff go. As far as not being paired up with the same FA or CA on every leg, who gives a sh**. Really..

 

[SLUF4]

I've said it before, but I find it funny and ironic that all you guys whine and complain so much about people you think are whining and complaining

 

[Abernathy]

actually on second thought we probably had to negotiate hard for that ready reserve room. point is still valid, though.

 

[ohplease!]

Sure you are! I bet your gf is a fa huh.

she sure is...with his wonderful personality do you know how he gets her to come into the flight deck to see him?.....he puts a twinkie on the glare shield and greases the door jamb.

 

[Data]

she sure is...with his wonderful personality do you know how he gets her to come into the flight deck to see him?.....he puts a twinkie on the glare shield and greases the door jamb.

Her? I was thinking he calls 'him' up! :laugh:

 

[www.]

You really are an insufferable tool. How many other airlines actually send flight attendants to the hotel ALONE? At least at the majors, they travel in groups.

DAL splits them.

If it's such a big deal for the FAs have them talk to their unions reps and have their language changed in their contract.

 

[crj567]

DAL splits them.

If it's such a big deal for the FAs have them talk to their unions reps and have their language changed in their contract.

That is kinda my point. The fitty only has ONE FA, and she has to travel by herself. Can anyone else see how this could be a problem in some places? For example-DHN or OAJ? Gen Lee's toothless pappy is the driver in DHN-and we all know how ethical that old buzzard is.

-Whatever-no one will care until something bad happens.... Certainly this pairing model causes a whole hell of a lot of needless confusion about where everyone is and when we will all make it to the same plane.

 

[crj567]

she sure is...with his wonderful personality do you know how he gets her to come into the flight deck to see him?.....he puts a twinkie on the glare shield and greases the door jamb.

-Only when your mom is my FA....oops. I think I just may have let that cat out of the bag!

 

[www.]

That is kinda my point. The fitty only has ONE FA, and she has to travel by herself. Can anyone else see how this could be a problem in some places? For example-DHN or OAJ? Gen Lee's toothless pappy is the driver in DHN-and we all know how ethical that old buzzard is.

-Whatever-no one will care until something bad happens.... Certainly this pairing model causes a whole hell of a lot of needless confusion about where everyone is and when we will all make it to the same plane.

You have a choice if your so worried about the FAs. Wear pants, fly planes...wear skirts, be a FA and help them change their work rules! Is it the pilots battle? Nope.

 

[ohplease!]

-Only when your mom is my FA....oops. I think I just may have let that cat out of the bag!

if my mom is your girlfriend, you're one sick dude! Damn man, TMI