ALPA Welcomes CommutAir Pilots!!!

[SKYWRJGUY]

Rez:

That's one of the dumber analogies I've read. If you think local ALPA MECs are self-governing, you're smoking crack [sure they can vote, but what can they 'do'?]. Make a change to your contract unilaterally [either without management or national approval] and I'd believe that unionization in general is a self-contained democracy. If we infact voted for non-representation here at SKYW, are not our rights secured in a democratic, will-of-the-people manner? Your's are constrained by external forces, and while our 'rights' could be violated, that has not happened to the extent of most other carriers, even with the 'you'll get what's coming to yours' doomsday everyone wishes on SkyWest. Your argument and analogies are weak.

Incidentally, Americans don't vote on self-government but they do participate in the process; it is the Constitution that mandates a government by the people [and called for by the DoI], and I'm pretty sure none of us had a chance to vote in ratification of the USC. Sorta like forced membership in unions that exist prior to your joining a particular airline: you can either be active or not, but you're going to fall under the jurisdiction and the results of their actions regardless.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez:

That's one of the dumber analogies I've read.

Of course it is... being compared to a communist subject or an Afgani woman in a burqa isn't very complimenting... especially to someone who flies high performance jets..

If you think local ALPA MECs are self-governing, you're smoking crack [sure they can vote, but what can they 'do'?].

The local MEC's manage their own house. In addition they are members of the Executive Board which address National issues.

They are sort of like State and Federal congressmen.

Make a change to your contract unilaterally [either without management or national approval]

Yes... MEC's can change their contracts, with agreement with management. They don't need Nat'l approval. Just a vote within the local council.

and I'd believe that unionization in general is a self-contained democracy.

It is.

If we infact voted for non-representation here at SKYW, are not our rights secured in a democratic, will-of-the-people manner?

What rights? All you did was give up the right to your rights. It is like rejecting a lawyer at the police station.

It is like not having representation at a house closing.

Individual rights and representation are the corner stone of our Constitution and American Way of life.

Just because you waive your rights doesn't mean you have rights...

Your's are constrained by external forces, and while our 'rights' could be violated, that has not happened to the extent of most other carriers, even with the 'you'll get what's coming to yours' doomsday everyone wishes on SkyWest.

External forces? What does that mean? Market forces? Legal forces?

Whereas you are constrained by internal forces... the whim of Jerry.

Your rights are constantly violated... they are done slowly and covertly... and when they are violated what do you do? NOTHING! Because you can do nothing.. you have no rights....

The doomsday that everyone wishes on Skywest is really just the fact that OO pilots are not respected.

Your argument and analogies are weak.

No.. they're not. Our constitution is an exclusive way of life. It is how we conduct self rule in this country. We mirror this in other organizations such as HOA's and labor unions.

Incidentally, Americans don't vote on self-government but they do participate in the process; it is the Constitution that mandates a government by the people [and called for by the DoI], and I'm pretty sure none of us had a chance to vote in ratification of the USC.

That is right... is there a better way?

Sorta like forced membership in unions that exist prior to your joining a particular airline: you can either be active or not, but you're going to fall under the jurisdiction and the results of their actions regardless.

No one is forced into a union.... We all have free will. Some of us understand better than others.

If you move to a town, you accept that towns laws. If you shop at a store, you accept that company's policies. If you apply at an airline with a union you accept that company's agreement. See... free will... its not that hard...


Where you forced to be an American? Or were you just born that way?

Let's not pretend you are something that you are not. You've rejected Americanism, democracy and self rule. You are the royal subject of King Jerry. You have waived your rights.... How unamerican all while you free load and benefit off the hard work of real professionals that make your jobs more safe.