ALPA vs ALPA merger

[Flyer1015]

Your prognostications have proven to be incredibly insightful in the past.

I agree, which is why I asked above

 

[PCL_128]

What would you say for AS-VX?

Any idea which attorney the Alaska MEC has hired? That might give some indication about how they'll try to proceed with it.

Generally, if it gets to arbitration, the answer is always the same: ratio by category and status. But the Alaska MEC is going to fight tooth and nail to prevent it. It's going to be ugly.

 

[Old School 737]

We hired the same one Delta had I believe ..

 

[PCL_128]

Freund? He'll be a voice of reason. Might help. It'll still be ugly, though.

 

[Flyer1015]

Is there a reason to believe that as 2 ALPA carriers if the two pilot merger committees can't work out, it won't go into arbitration?

 

[tomgoodman]

It'll still be ugly, though.

Perhaps a nice poem would help?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yJNZwuamwj0

 

[PCL_128]

Is there a reason to believe that as 2 ALPA carriers if the two pilot merger committees can't work out, it won't go into arbitration?

Depends on whether outside factors are involved. Remember, Southwest management was the wild card that screwed us over. They shouldn't have been involved, but they interjected themselves into the process and started making threats. I doubt Alaska management would do the same, but you never know what factors could come to play. All else being equal, though, unless the Virgin MEC decides to just roll over, I can't see it not going to arbitration.

 

[Flyer1015]

Great point, and thanks for your insight. Your track record is spot on when it comes to these kinds of things so I appreciate it.

 

[canyonblue]

Indeed they have. Just look at the quote in one of your coworker's signature line of me predicting the screwing of the AirTran pilots years in advance.

Hell yeah, it is my signature line. I was on the same page as you, that it wouldn't be good for AirTran if we acquired you. Then you seemed shocked when it happened, thats what I couldn't understand.

 

[PCL_128]

Hell yeah, it is my signature line. I was on the same page as you, that it wouldn't be good for AirTran if we acquired you. Then you seemed shocked when it happened, thats what I couldn't understand.

I was fooled by our strike vote and the incredible turnouts of multiple SPC events during late stage contract negotiations. I thought our pilots had actually grown a spine. On that, I was wrong.

 

[Flyer1015]

Any idea which attorney the Alaska MEC has hired? That might give some indication about how they'll try to proceed with it.

Generally, if it gets to arbitration, the answer is always the same: ratio by category and status. But the Alaska MEC is going to fight tooth and nail to prevent it. It's going to be ugly.

For VX it's Altshuler Berzon. Lead is Jeffrey Demain.

Any thoughts on it PCL_128? I don't know anything about labor lawyers in SLIs.

 

[PCL_128]

That pick is, shall we say, non-traditional. Very well respected labor attorney, and I think he did some work for the Eagle MEC regarding their flow or something else related, but I'm not familiar with any pilot seniority integration he's litigated.

 

[Flyer1015]

Oh ok, hopefully sounds good. Thanks

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

Depends on whether outside factors are involved. Remember, Southwest management was the wild card that screwed us over. They shouldn't have been involved, but they interjected themselves into the process and started making threats.

PCL on the rant again about the take over (yes it was a take over) and your beloved ALPA screwed the pouch by not accepting the first offer from SWA.

 

[maru657]

Depends on whether outside factors are involved. Remember, Southwest management was the wild card that screwed us over. They shouldn't have been involved, but they interjected themselves into the process and started making threats.

PCL on the rant again about the take over (yes it was a take over) and your beloved ALPA screwed the pouch by not accepting the first offer from SWA.

I wouldn't sweat it Dub, if you girls actually go beyond picketing you might find out just what that's like.