ALPA vs ALPA merger

[Flyer1015]

Any idea which attorney the Alaska MEC has hired? That might give some indication about how they'll try to proceed with it.

Generally, if it gets to arbitration, the answer is always the same: ratio by category and status. But the Alaska MEC is going to fight tooth and nail to prevent it. It's going to be ugly.

For VX it's Altshuler Berzon. Lead is Jeffrey Demain.

Any thoughts on it PCL_128? I don't know anything about labor lawyers in SLIs.

 

[PCL_128]

That pick is, shall we say, non-traditional. Very well respected labor attorney, and I think he did some work for the Eagle MEC regarding their flow or something else related, but I'm not familiar with any pilot seniority integration he's litigated.

 

[Flyer1015]

Oh ok, hopefully sounds good. Thanks

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

Depends on whether outside factors are involved. Remember, Southwest management was the wild card that screwed us over. They shouldn't have been involved, but they interjected themselves into the process and started making threats.

PCL on the rant again about the take over (yes it was a take over) and your beloved ALPA screwed the pouch by not accepting the first offer from SWA.

 

[maru657]

Depends on whether outside factors are involved. Remember, Southwest management was the wild card that screwed us over. They shouldn't have been involved, but they interjected themselves into the process and started making threats.

PCL on the rant again about the take over (yes it was a take over) and your beloved ALPA screwed the pouch by not accepting the first offer from SWA.

I wouldn't sweat it Dub, if you girls actually go beyond picketing you might find out just what that's like.

 

[PCL_128]

Depends on whether outside factors are involved. Remember, Southwest management was the wild card that screwed us over. They shouldn't have been involved, but they interjected themselves into the process and started making threats.

PCL on the rant again about the take over (yes it was a take over) and your beloved ALPA screwed the pouch by not accepting the first offer from SWA.

The pouch? Guess they don't teach spelling to you trailer park dwellers.

It was a merger, by the way. You'd know that if you weren't illiterate so you could read the SEC documents.

 

[Flyer1015]

PCL, do you know what merging/acquiring airlines need to get a SOC status or the SOC itself? Mainly do the pilots need to have a JCBA and/or SLI before SOC? Or are one or both those things not a necessity and can continue flying under each individual contract with each individual list? If everything can still be separate what's the advantage of SOC?

 

[freightdogfred]

Depends on whether outside factors are involved. Remember, Southwest management was the wild card that screwed us over. They shouldn't have been involved, but they interjected themselves into the process and started making threats.

PCL on the rant again about the take over (yes it was a take over) and your beloved ALPA screwed the pouch by not accepting the first offer from SWA.

So I can assume you voted yes on the TA that SWA presented, as you and the rest of the cartel here have always said "the first offer is always best"

 

[PCL_128]

PCL, do you know what merging/acquiring airlines need to get a SOC status or the SOC itself? Mainly do the pilots need to have a JCBA and/or SLI before SOC? Or are one or both those things not a necessity and can continue flying under each individual contract with each individual list? If everything can still be separate what's the advantage of SOC?

SOC is entirely a regulatory issue, so labor seniority and contracts aren't really an issue. You can have multiple seniority lists under the same operating certificate, or multiple operating certificates for a single seniority list. The government doesn't care.

From a corporate perspective, though, unless the goal is a whipsaw, then SOC is always preferable, as it requires less overhead. Two certificates means redundancy, which means less efficiency. Bad for business. Again, unless the goal is to utilize a whipsaw to drive labor costs down.

 

[SWA Bubba]

SOC is entirely a regulatory issue, so labor seniority and contracts aren't really an issue. You can have multiple seniority lists under the same operating certificate, or multiple operating certificates for a single seniority list. The government doesn't care.

From a corporate perspective, though, unless the goal is a whipsaw, then SOC is always preferable, as it requires less overhead. Two certificates means redundancy, which means less efficiency. Bad for business. Again, unless the goal is to utilize a whipsaw to drive labor costs down.

I'm sorry, PCL, but are you trying to imply that was the case with SWA/AirTran? That SWA management intended a whipsaw? It seems that way, seeing as how you thought to mention it twice in the same short paragraph.

Bubba