Alpa Sucks

[CRJ200pilot]

What have they done for us on the regional level.....NOTHING. PNCL ALPA SUCKS. SCREW THEM.....I WANT OUT.

 

[WalterSobchak]

4 pages, minimum...mostly posts by PCL.

If I call it now, maybe it won't happen...

 

[CRJ200pilot]

I have NO..absolutely no confidence in our MEC and ALPA

 

[Papps]

What have they done for us on the regional level.....NOTHING. PNCL ALPA SUCKS. SCREW THEM.....I WANT OUT.

Thats cool, just be sure to tell your base manager that you would like to waive your contractural rights.
That would give you 24 hours off every 7 days. Also tell him that you would like to renegotiate your salary to any rate that Phil Trenary thinks is fair.

Or quit your complaining and go sign up to fly 135 on demand freight, strap on a pager, and get ready to learn what non-union flying is all about.

You will enjoy such benefits as no scheduled time off, no scheduled vacation. On-call and rest mixed all into one(no scheduled rest), and the always enjoyable "aging in dog years" where you look and feel 50 at 30.

Your "AC flown" section has that classic GIA grad signature. Im guessing you bypassed the joys of pager flying.

Maybe you should have waited until they had a left seat 777 bridge program.

 

[Caspian27]

Cue Rez or PCL in 5 4 3 2 1........

 

[Dumb Pilot]

4 pages, minimum...mostly posts by PCL.

If I call it now, maybe it won't happen...

I'll give you one from a contract pilot that is not paying the 1.95%


ALPA SUCKS!

 

[PA44Jockey]

Don't tell us that you want out. Just Quit crying and get out. It's really that simple.

 

[WayBack]

People ask "Why does ALPA suck?"

Because you have people like PFT_128 trying to run a Union....wait, an ASSOCIATION.

Then Guys like Rez, who can only answer questions with question. As if he's found some Zen like State of ALPA.

But I agree. It's not called ALPO for no reason.

 

[CopilotDoug]

I'll give you one from a contract pilot that is not paying the 1.95%


ALPA SUCKS!

I don't know where you got your information, but it is obviously wrong. For an operator to offer good pay/benefits, ALPA must be on property. I know you lay awake at night wishing that you could get a fine contract like the one in place at Pinnacle...but until you bring ALPA in...KEEP DREAMING!

Ask not what your Union can do for you...ask what you can do for your Union!

(the above post was made after the FI User smoked a bong full of Fruit Loops)

 

[PCL_128]

4 pages, minimum...mostly posts by PCL.

If I call it now, maybe it won't happen...

I would never disappoint you, Walter.

CRJ200pilot, perhaps you could actually state some specific concerns you have with PCL ALPA. You are obviously in the minority with your views, as polling data has always proven that 90%+ of the PCL pilot group is pleased with their MEC.

 

[Captain Morgan]

IBT is worse! Can I get a hell yah!?

 

[WalterSobchak]

I would never disappoint you, Walter.

Of course not...

In case you missed this one...

 

[WayBack]

I would never disappoint you, Walter.

CRJ200pilot, perhaps you could actually state some specific concerns you have with PCL ALPA. You are obviously in the minority with your views, as polling data has always proven that 90%+ of the PCL pilot group is pleased with their MEC.

BULLSH*T!!!

 

[CRJ200pilot]

What poll shows that we are pleased with our MEC?!!!!??? The people who voted are the tool bags who are GUNG HO for the union...the ones who didnt vote and who would have voted they are displeased with the MEC are like me.....Displeased and dissastified with they way things are done with both ALPA(O) and our MEC.

I am not saying we should operate without a union...I am simply saying ALPA SUCKS

 

[Papps]

What poll shows that we are pleased with our MEC?!!!!??? The people who voted are the tool bags who are GUNG HO for the union...the ones who didnt vote and who would have voted they are displeased with the MEC are like me.....Displeased and dissastified with they way things are done with both ALPA(O) and our MEC.

I am not saying we should operate without a union...I am simply saying ALPA SUCKS

Life didn't turn out like it was depicted in the Gulfstream brochure huh?

 

[CFIT]

Ohhhhh Rez






(crickets)







Rez?






Rez, people are slamming your holy institution






Where art thou Rez?

 

[PCL_128]

What poll shows that we are pleased with our MEC?!!!!??? The people who voted are the tool bags who are GUNG HO for the union...the ones who didnt vote and who would have voted they are displeased with the MEC are like me.....Displeased and dissastified with they way things are done with both ALPA(O) and our MEC.

It's random telephone polling, my friend. Not just some internet poll that only the supporters bother to do. This information is usually not released publicly, but I doubt the MEC will mind me giving just this one metric from a Wilson Poll done before I left the MEC. The question was asked "overall, how would you rate the performance of your PCL MEC?" The result was quite favorable, and this result was consistent in every poll we did for the years I was on the MEC: 90% of the members responded either "very good" or "mostly good." Only 1.5% echoed your apparent opinion of "not good at all." This was a poll of 200 random PCL pilots. A different sample group is taken in each poll, and all of them are consistent. Phil Comstock, the President of the Wilson Polling Center, was always very impressed with our numbers on MEC support and militancy. There is no doubt that a very strong majority of the PCL group is satisfied with the performance of their MEC. You are a small minority.

 

[Flyer1015]

ALPA....

WONDERFUL medical branch that will help fight for your case and be there when you're in need for getting a first class medical. They'll answer questions, and work with you if you need to get a waiver or SODA.

WONDERFUL resources like the above mentioned medical, and protection from management when they decide to unfairly terminate you. Or if you are involved in an incident/accident, they can help you.

So things like that of ALPA are great.

But what about national unity?

What about their bargaining strength (or lack thereof)?

What about the question of which group is looking out for whose interest? Especiallly these days, (and actually ever since 9/11), it seems every unit is just worried about getting stuff for themselves.

Just my 2 cents.

I'd rather be ALPA than not, but I won't pretend like ALPA is this perfect flawless fairy (which it isn't).

 

[Flyer1015]

It's random telephone polling, my friend. Not just some internet poll that only the supporters bother to do. This information is usually not released publicly, but I doubt the MEC will mind me giving just this one metric from a Wilson Poll done before I left the MEC. The question was asked "overall, how would you rate the performance of your PCL MEC?" The result was quite favorable, and this result was consistent in every poll we did for the years I was on the MEC: 90% of the members responded either "very good" or "mostly good." Only 1.5% echoed your apparent opinion of "not good at all." This was a poll of 200 random PCL pilots. A different sample group is taken in each poll, and all of them are consistent. Phil Comstock, the President of the Wilson Polling Center, was always very impressed with our numbers on MEC support and militancy. There is no doubt that a very strong majority of the PCL group is satisfied with the performance of their MEC. You are a small minority.

The above is correct. Upwards of 90% support the Pinnacle ALPA MEC. (I support our MEC).

SE has the b@lls to put up with PT, CS, and the rest of the Circus gang.

 

[CX880]

What have they done for us on the regional level.....NOTHING. PNCL ALPA SUCKS. SCREW THEM.....I WANT OUT.

Come on they've approved a work week of 6 consecutive days with one 24 hour off minimum, 16 hour duty days, and 10 days off a month, and IF we're ever terminated for no reason, we get to fight it. That's got to count for something.

 

[Dan Roman]

What poll shows that we are pleased with our MEC?!!!!??? The people who voted are the tool bags who are GUNG HO for the union...the ones who didnt vote and who would have voted they are displeased with the MEC are like me.....Displeased and dissastified with they way things are done with both ALPA(O) and our MEC.

I am not saying we should operate without a union...I am simply saying ALPA SUCKS

In other words you don't get involved you just sit on the sidelines and point fingers?

ALPA is the vehicle available for your pilot group to deal with management, how well it can function depends on how well everyone gets invloved and works together. Unfortunatly, some pilots think it's all about what they think and nothing else counts.

 

[sweptback]

Come on they've approved a work week of 6 consecutive days with one 24 hour off minimum, 16 hour duty days, and 10 days off a month, and IF we're ever terminated for no reason, we get to fight it. That's got to count for something.

Um, once you're off probation, you cannot be terminated without cause. And, the company must follow the proper procedures if they terminate a pilot, which are laid out in the contract (albeit in sections nobody reads). If the company terminated a pilot without cause, and without regard to the contract, it would be a slam-dunk case to get him his job back.

 

[shortbus driver]

I worked for two cargo companies before this place and I can tell you without a second thought that ALPA is great. I am not saying they do things perfectly, but I have seen no union, I have been to a place where no one stood for you and upgrades went to the cheapest to train, not the ones who were senior. My medical insurance and my union dues together are under 100 dollars a month. At my last job, a small 135 carrier it was 150 for crappy health insurance. So to all the whiney people at our company; you are right its not perfect, but it is wayyyy better than the alternative.

 

[Flyer1015]

Come on they've approved a work week of 6 consecutive days with one 24 hour off minimum, 16 hour duty days, and 10 days off a month, and IF we're ever terminated for no reason, we get to fight it. That's got to count for something.

If you really want to get technical, it's 1 calendar day off in 7, and 15.5 hr duty time unless pilot agrees to 16.

It's not the best. We all know that. But ALPA definitely helps as opposed to not having ALPA. Pinnacle is notorious for 'fire pilots first, ask questions later.' Only the union/ALPA is able to fight and get your job back.

 

[DoinTime]

What poll shows that we are pleased with our MEC?!!!!??? The people who voted are the tool bags who are GUNG HO for the union...the ones who didnt vote and who would have voted they are displeased with the MEC are like me.....Displeased and dissastified with they way things are done with both ALPA(O) and our MEC.

I am not saying we should operate without a union...I am simply saying ALPA SUCKS

You are one of those guys who thinks they can sit back and enjoy the world that someone else provides them, aren't you? You expect this this for a measly 1.95% of your already pitiful income, how sad.

If you don't bother to vote and are so out of touch that you don't even know that the Wilson Center polls our pilot group every month (you probably don't get called because you never provided contact info) then you have NO RIGHT to minimize the efforts of others.

As someone else asked before, why are you so disappointed in your MEC? Give some specific issues. If you can't even come to grips with what you don't like then you personify the moniker, "rebel without a clue."

 

[DoinTime]

If you really want to get technical, it's 1 calendar day off in 7, and 15.5 hr duty time unless pilot agrees to 16.

It's not the best. We all know that. But ALPA definitely helps as opposed to not having ALPA. Pinnacle is notorious for 'fire pilots first, ask questions later.' Only the union/ALPA is able to fight and get your job back.

I think he is talking about TSA.

 

[Goose Egg]

ALPA is the vehicle available for your pilot group to deal with management, how well it can function depends on how well everyone gets invloved and works together. Unfortunatly, some pilots think it's all about what they think and nothing else counts.

Actually, that's a very good point.... and a sad commentary at the same time.


-Goose

 

[Freeze]

What poll shows that we are pleased with our MEC?!!!!??? The people who voted are the tool bags who are GUNG HO for the union...the ones who didnt vote and who would have voted they are displeased with the MEC are like me.....Displeased and dissastified with they way things are done with both ALPA(O) and our MEC.

I am not saying we should operate without a union...I am simply saying ALPA SUCKS

I remember you! You are the malcontent, with poor effort and a bad attitude, that sat at the end of everyone's bench in sports and complained because you didn't get to play--then, it was the Coach Sucks or this team Sucks! Look in the mirror! Do you like what you see in the middle of your forehead?

L

 

[Regul8r]

But ALPA definitely helps as opposed to not having ALPA. Pinnacle is notorious for 'fire pilots first, ask questions later.' Only the union/ALPA is able to fight and get your job back.

Everybody brings this up and it seems to be a good point. Flyer, how many times have you been fired and had ALPA get your job back for you?

 

[DoinTime]

Pinnacle ALPA has salvaged dozens of careers.