Alpa Sucks

[Dan Roman]

What poll shows that we are pleased with our MEC?!!!!??? The people who voted are the tool bags who are GUNG HO for the union...the ones who didnt vote and who would have voted they are displeased with the MEC are like me.....Displeased and dissastified with they way things are done with both ALPA(O) and our MEC.

I am not saying we should operate without a union...I am simply saying ALPA SUCKS

In other words you don't get involved you just sit on the sidelines and point fingers?

ALPA is the vehicle available for your pilot group to deal with management, how well it can function depends on how well everyone gets invloved and works together. Unfortunatly, some pilots think it's all about what they think and nothing else counts.

 

[sweptback]

Come on they've approved a work week of 6 consecutive days with one 24 hour off minimum, 16 hour duty days, and 10 days off a month, and IF we're ever terminated for no reason, we get to fight it. That's got to count for something.

Um, once you're off probation, you cannot be terminated without cause. And, the company must follow the proper procedures if they terminate a pilot, which are laid out in the contract (albeit in sections nobody reads). If the company terminated a pilot without cause, and without regard to the contract, it would be a slam-dunk case to get him his job back.

 

[shortbus driver]

I worked for two cargo companies before this place and I can tell you without a second thought that ALPA is great. I am not saying they do things perfectly, but I have seen no union, I have been to a place where no one stood for you and upgrades went to the cheapest to train, not the ones who were senior. My medical insurance and my union dues together are under 100 dollars a month. At my last job, a small 135 carrier it was 150 for crappy health insurance. So to all the whiney people at our company; you are right its not perfect, but it is wayyyy better than the alternative.

 

[Flyer1015]

Come on they've approved a work week of 6 consecutive days with one 24 hour off minimum, 16 hour duty days, and 10 days off a month, and IF we're ever terminated for no reason, we get to fight it. That's got to count for something.

If you really want to get technical, it's 1 calendar day off in 7, and 15.5 hr duty time unless pilot agrees to 16.

It's not the best. We all know that. But ALPA definitely helps as opposed to not having ALPA. Pinnacle is notorious for 'fire pilots first, ask questions later.' Only the union/ALPA is able to fight and get your job back.

 

[DoinTime]

What poll shows that we are pleased with our MEC?!!!!??? The people who voted are the tool bags who are GUNG HO for the union...the ones who didnt vote and who would have voted they are displeased with the MEC are like me.....Displeased and dissastified with they way things are done with both ALPA(O) and our MEC.

I am not saying we should operate without a union...I am simply saying ALPA SUCKS

You are one of those guys who thinks they can sit back and enjoy the world that someone else provides them, aren't you? You expect this this for a measly 1.95% of your already pitiful income, how sad.

If you don't bother to vote and are so out of touch that you don't even know that the Wilson Center polls our pilot group every month (you probably don't get called because you never provided contact info) then you have NO RIGHT to minimize the efforts of others.

As someone else asked before, why are you so disappointed in your MEC? Give some specific issues. If you can't even come to grips with what you don't like then you personify the moniker, "rebel without a clue."

 

[DoinTime]

If you really want to get technical, it's 1 calendar day off in 7, and 15.5 hr duty time unless pilot agrees to 16.

It's not the best. We all know that. But ALPA definitely helps as opposed to not having ALPA. Pinnacle is notorious for 'fire pilots first, ask questions later.' Only the union/ALPA is able to fight and get your job back.

I think he is talking about TSA.

 

[Goose Egg]

ALPA is the vehicle available for your pilot group to deal with management, how well it can function depends on how well everyone gets invloved and works together. Unfortunatly, some pilots think it's all about what they think and nothing else counts.

Actually, that's a very good point.... and a sad commentary at the same time.


-Goose

 

[Freeze]

What poll shows that we are pleased with our MEC?!!!!??? The people who voted are the tool bags who are GUNG HO for the union...the ones who didnt vote and who would have voted they are displeased with the MEC are like me.....Displeased and dissastified with they way things are done with both ALPA(O) and our MEC.

I am not saying we should operate without a union...I am simply saying ALPA SUCKS

I remember you! You are the malcontent, with poor effort and a bad attitude, that sat at the end of everyone's bench in sports and complained because you didn't get to play--then, it was the Coach Sucks or this team Sucks! Look in the mirror! Do you like what you see in the middle of your forehead?

L

 

[Regul8r]

But ALPA definitely helps as opposed to not having ALPA. Pinnacle is notorious for 'fire pilots first, ask questions later.' Only the union/ALPA is able to fight and get your job back.

Everybody brings this up and it seems to be a good point. Flyer, how many times have you been fired and had ALPA get your job back for you?

 

[DoinTime]

Pinnacle ALPA has salvaged dozens of careers.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

ALPA....


I'd rather be ALPA than not, but I won't pretend like ALPA is this perfect flawless fairy (which it isn't).

That's exactly how I feel. I gave ALPA my heart & soul and was very saddened and saw the light when I saw what they did to the US Air Express pilots with the Jets for Jobs program, as well as what they've done in letting one regional after another get hosed.

 

[CRJDispatchKid]

All I care about is....when can I expect a new billboard on Airways?! I check it every day in hopeful anticipation, only to be disappointed to see it's still the same one.

 

[PCL_128]

That's exactly how I feel. I gave ALPA my heart & soul and was very saddened and saw the light when I saw what they did to the US Air Express pilots with the Jets for Jobs program, as well as what they've done in letting one regional after another get hosed.

ALPA didn't "hose" anyone on J4J. Every pilot group that participated got to vote on it themselves. It wasn't forced on anyone.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

They were man-handled and the whole J4J proposal was the US Air pilots' idea to begin with - super seniority for 6-month US Air pilots against pilots with 10+ years at Piedmont.

The US Airways Express pilots were forced into capitulating or losing more jobs and aircraft. Yeah, that's like a 3rd world country's version of "free elections" with the warlord's thugs with guns watching you vote.

 

[DoinTime]

They were man-handled and the whole J4J proposal was the US Air pilots' idea to begin with - super seniority for 6-month US Air pilots against pilots with 10+ years at Piedmont.

The US Airways Express pilots were forced into capitulating or losing more jobs and aircraft. Yeah, that's like a 3rd world country's version of "free elections" with the warlord's thugs with guns watching you vote.

You seem to proclaim your expertise at a whole lot of places you have never worked.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

You seem to proclaim your expertise at a whole lot of places you have never worked.

Where do I profess to that? Where do I profess I'm an expert in anything? I was an ALPA member at the time. Every regional pilot should have been sickened by what happened over at US Air at that time. So what. I thought you were the jack of all trades.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

What have they done for us on the regional level.....NOTHING. PNCL ALPA SUCKS. SCREW THEM.....I WANT OUT.

I agree with you that ALPA isnt really doing the best job out there...nor is it the best thing since sliced bread (which you all have to admit...kinda kicked major a$$!), however, what the point of ALPA is is that it's airline pilots working toward a better future...you dont like PNCL ALPA...join it... Get voted in and change something...or at least see what it's like on the inside.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

ALPA didn't "hose" anyone on J4J. Every pilot group that participated got to vote on it themselves. It wasn't forced on anyone.

PCL is correct. UAL wanted us to do this at AWAC, and we politely (hell no!) declined. No one forced us to take it.

Peace.

Rekks