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NWA pension will be a soft or hard freeze as legislation is finalized. Biggest item remaining in negotiations is how to handle medical retirements and disability coverage. New formula has me with 18 years getting 43% of current FAE with no increase to FAE my last 11 years. In todays dollars if I were 60 I would get about 23% less. And then will have 11 years of defined contributions to the 401K. Percentage being negotiated, guessing 8-12% targeted plan based on age and years of service. Will be decent totals but not what it once was.
 
320AV8R is right on the mark. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. NWA ALPA tried to get all the unions to work together, look at the books together, and approach the company TOGETHER with a package that would save the airline and the vast majority of the union membership interests. Now that AMFA has given the rest of the unions and the company the finger, why should ALPA support AMFA and risk the liquidation scenario seen in Atlanta 14 years ago?

"We got a learning disability here?"

James Earl Jones in Field of Dreams
 
miles otoole said:
http://www.amfa33.org/whale_nose_gear805.htm

I am wondering why the AMFA put trophy pics of the 747 Guam nose gear collapse on its website when AMFA doesn't even perform maintenance on this whale (it's done in SIN).


A product of sh!tty outsourced maintenance. I would believe that was their point.
 
I have a question for NWA pilots..

If you show up at the post office and you see that the letter carries are on strike and picketting the post office...Do you still go in and buy stamps?
 
320AV8R said:
Do you think the NWA pilots can somehow STOP this spiral ? (We won't mention the record high price of fuel, the anti-union Administration, or the downward pressure on wages by CH 11 carriers and the LCCS.....)

320AV8R

The AMT's seem to be the only ones who may stop their spiral, by refusing to accept the NWA wages. I don't see anyone else who walked over the wages NWA wanted. So far the AMT's are the only ones who can say they tried to stop the downward spiral, and it may cost them their jobs, but other AMT's in the industry will owe them for being the ones that stood up to the plate.
 
So far the AMT's are the only ones who can say they tried to stop the downward spiral, and it may cost them their jobs....
Did they stop it ? Seems like they might have accelerated it.

--100% of their members took a 100% paycut....as opposed to...

--55% of them taking a 25% cut, and 45% of them taking a 100% cut. A six month's severance package, including wages, health care, and travel benefits was offered to the furloughees. Somehow that seems better, allowing time to find other employment, as opposed to nothing.

but other AMT's in the industry will owe them for being the ones that stood up to the plate
I'm confused. Sure, they'll be recognized as the ones who "fell on their swords"; but their "contribution" is nil. What other group can use their actions to secure a better Labor Agreement ?

320AV8R
 
320AV8R said:
What other group can use their actions to secure a better Labor Agreement ?


None. That is why, if at all posssible, unions need to back other unions.

Another shamefull display by ALPA. Does it ever end?
 
320AV8R said:
Did they stop it ? Seems like they might have accelerated it.

--100% of their members took a 100% paycut....as opposed to...

--55% of them taking a 25% cut, and 45% of them taking a 100% cut. A six month's severance package, including wages, health care, and travel benefits was offered to the furloughees. Somehow that seems better, allowing time to find other employment, as opposed to nothing.


I'm confused. Sure, they'll be recognized as the ones who "fell on their swords"; but their "contribution" is nil. What other group can use their actions to secure a better Labor Agreement ?

320AV8R

Your last name wouldnt happen to be Steenland, would it?
 
Boeingman said:
None. That is why, if at all posssible, unions need to back other unions.

Another shamefull display by ALPA. Does it ever end?

See post number 19 in this thread.

320AV8R
 
Redmeat said:
Your last name wouldnt happen to be Steenland, would it?

No.....not at all.

And your point ?

320AV8R
 
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320AV8R said:
No.....not at all.

And your point ?

320AV8R

No real point. It is just that in the two weeks I have been following this forum, mostly because of current events, I dont see where your comments are doing NW pilots any favors.
 
320AV8R said:
See post number 19 in this thread.

320AV8R

I read it. I also noted that occured in 1998 which was a whole different era in the airline industry by todays standards. As far as I am concerned it is a lame excuse and flawed logic by NWA ALPA.

The only way all employees in any class and craft will ever regain anything is by sticking togethor. You and your NWA bretheren are fools if you think Steenland won't come back for more from the pilots. Unionism is not about settling scores.

Really a disgusting situation. However it is of no surprise to me given the abysmal actions of ALPA on a national and local level over the past few years.
 
Boeingman said:
I read it. I also noted that occured in 1998 which was a whole different era in the airline industry by todays standards. As far as I am concerned it is a lame excuse and flawed logic by NWA ALPA. .

Bman-

The post states 2005, not 1998....

IN 2005....ALPA SUGGESTED THAT ALPA, AMFA, AND PFAA ALL JOIN FORCES TO COLECTIVELY BARGAIN AGAINST NWA MANAGEMENT. AMFA AND PFAA TOLD NWA ALPA TO F-OFFEATSH!TANDDIE. Numerous attempts to have AMFA and PFAA join ALPA were rebuffed, saying that THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED, AND WANTED TO BARGAIN ON THEIR OWN.


The only way all employees in any class and craft will ever regain anything is by sticking togethor.
I agree.....however, the mechanics and pilots are different crafts.

You and your NWA bretheren are fools if you think Steenland won't come back for more from the pilots.
We know he's on the way....and are expecting him.

Really a disgusting situation. However it is of no surprise to me given the abysmal actions of ALPA on a national and local level over the past few years
I agree.

320AV8R
 
Redmeat said:
No real point. It is just that in the two weeks I have been following this forum, mostly because of current events, I dont see where your comments are doing NW pilots any favors.

My intention was to "correct erroneous posts", not really do any favors.

When false or misleading information is posted, from people far removed from the situation, who, in most cases are stating opinion rather than fact, I was trying to set the record straight. (sorry for the run-on sentence).

I work at NWA, and a lot of the sh!t that's posted about this situation is inaccurate. Any infractions I bestowed on the pilot group was unintentional.

320AV8R
 
Pilots urge other Northwest unions to take cuts

Associated Press


MINNEAPOLIS - In an effort to preserve jobs and save Northwest Airlines from potential bankruptcy, the head of the pilots union is urging other unions to accept cuts.

Last November, Northwest's pilots accepted a 15 percent pay cut, becoming the first of the airline's major labor groups to ratify a contract that reflects the company's financial situation.

Northwest airline lost $458 million during the first quarter and is attempting to reduce its annual labor costs by $1.1 billion.

"The time has come for all union leaders to move beyond denial and anger and act responsibly for the good of their members," said Mark McClain, chairman of the Northwest branch of the Air Line Pilots Association.

The pilots' new contract saves the Eagan-based airline $265 million a year, and Northwest has reduced the compensation of its salaried employees by $35 million a year.

"Northwest, just like the other major carriers, cannot avoid bankruptcy if it continues to lose money at the current rate. It's that simple," McClain said in a memo to Northwest pilots.

A Northwest spokesman declined Wednesday to comment on the pilots' memo. Andrea Fischer Newman, Northwest's senior vice president of government affairs, did not speculate on the potential for a bankruptcy filing.
 

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