ALPA recruiting

[Dutch]

Just curious if I'm the only person who disagrees with this. My ALPA carrier is going to start publishing the names of non-members. The MEC chair explained to me that this will include individuals who are current on on their *dues" but choose not to be a part of the club. Seems a little bullyish. The union has their contact info and could communicate with these individuals directly but sees this list as a better way to increase membership. I don't really care for the method.

 

[DoinTime]

Its a childish stunt if you ask me.

 

[Freebrd]

Which MEC yabtalkin' bout?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Sounds even more like it's time for a decertification drive at Endeavor.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Sounds even more like it's time for a decertification drive at Endeavor.

See how that works for you....

 

[pilotyip]

How does being based in a Right to work state, like Michigan effect the ability of the union to collect dues? I see a lawsuit coming.

 

[PCL_128]

How does being based in a Right to work state, like Michigan effect the ability of the union to collect dues? I see a lawsuit coming.

State laws are overridden by federal laws like the RLA. So-called "right-to-work" laws don't apply at unionized carriers.

 

[PCL_128]

Just curious if I'm the only person who disagrees with this. My ALPA carrier is going to start publishing the names of non-members. The MEC chair explained to me that this will include individuals who are current on on their *dues" but choose not to be a part of the club. Seems a little bullyish. The union has their contact info and could communicate with these individuals directly but sees this list as a better way to increase membership. I don't really care for the method.

If you want the benefits of a union, you need to join and pay dues. No sympathy for the freeloaders and non-members. We've been publishing the same kind of list at AirTran for years now.

 

[pilotyip]

If you want the benefits of a union, you need to join and pay dues. No sympathy for the freeloaders and non-members. We've been publishing the same kind of list at AirTran for years now.

Will they find there tires flat in the crew lot, kinda like the UAW did at Willow Run during WWII to encourage membership?

 

[GogglesPisano]

Will they find there tires flat in the crew lot, kinda like the UAW did at Willow Run during WWII to encourage membership?

Will Henry Ford hire thugs to break union knee caps? Both sides have sins, Yip. Historically, management antics have been a bit more effective and violent.

 

[Dutch]

If you want the benefits of a union, you need to join and pay dues. No sympathy for the freeloaders and non-members. We've been publishing the same kind of list at AirTran for years now.

I don't take issue with publishing the names of those with delinquent accounts but you go on the same list just for not wanting to join the union, even if you've paid your dues. It seems a little heavy handed. I've spent years volunteering as a member of an ALPA committee and appreciate to work of those in the union but don't see this as the way to increase membership.

 

[pilotyip]

Will Henry Ford hire thugs to break union knee caps? Both sides have sins, Yip. Historically, management antics have been a bit more effective and violent.

As I have stated many times, neither organizations are candidates for sainthood

 

[PCL_128]

Will they find there tires flat in the crew lot, kinda like the UAW did at Willow Run during WWII to encourage membership?

I've never heard of any flat tires at our property. Not that I would care, though. I don't spend a whole lot of time sympathizing with freeloading scumbags.

 

[PCL_128]

I don't take issue with publishing the names of those with delinquent accounts but you go on the same list just for not wanting to join the union, even if you've paid your dues.

I actually have a bigger problem with the non-members than I do with the delinquent accounts. Lots of members get on the delinquent account list by mistake (companies don't take out the right amount of money and the member doesn't realize that he needs to pay the bill; errors is dues checkoff not being processed by the company; etc.). But someone being a non-member? That's a choice, not a mistake. Again, no sympathy. Join and pay your dues.

 

[Terantious]

ALPA is a ******************** sandwich, always has been and always will be.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I actually have a bigger problem with the non-members than I do with the delinquent accounts. Lots of members get on the delinquent account list by mistake (companies don't take out the right amount of money and the member doesn't realize that he needs to pay the bill; errors is dues checkoff not being processed by the company; etc.). But someone being a non-member? That's a choice, not a mistake. Again, no sympathy. Join and pay your dues.

Are you drunk? ALPA national has been running around sanctioning concessionary contracts while companies have been raking in the profits. ALPA is signing its own death certificate with this crap. You may still be breastfeeding off of L.M. but the rest of us have had it with the needless givebacks.

 

[PCL_128]

Are you drunk? ALPA national has been running around sanctioning concessionary contracts while companies have been raking in the profits. ALPA is signing its own death certificate with this crap. You may still be breastfeeding off of L.M. but the rest of us have had it with the needless givebacks.

You must be confused. No one thinks less of Lee Moak than I do. I'm ashamed of what ALPA has become under his watch, especially where the regionals are concerned. But a union is more than one man. Throw out Moak. Not ALPA.

 

[IBNAV8R]

I've never heard of any flat tires at our property. Not that I would care, though. I don't spend a whole lot of time sympathizing with freeloading scumbags.

I'll bet you're the first one screaming bloody murder when your tires are slashed because YOU didn't support something with which YOU disagreed - i.e., decertification, teamsters, in-house union, etc.

 

[sniper]

ALPA is a ******************** sandwich, always has been and always will be.

alpa is YOU, the pilot

so that make you what?

 

[DoinTime]

Regional pilots will never have a majority of the Association so change from within is unlikely.

--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

 

[PCL_128]

I'll bet you're the first one screaming bloody murder when your tires are slashed because YOU didn't support something with which YOU disagreed - i.e., decertification, teamsters, in-house union, etc.

If you don't want to join and pay dues to a union, then don't go to work at a union airline. But if you do go to work at one, pay up and join. No sympathy.

 

[StarChecker]

ALPA is a ******************** sandwich, always has been and always will be.

C'mon over to B6 and try it out with no CBA... It's a party

 

[Raoul Duke]

publishing the list would be a form a retailiation which is illegal under state and federal law. Pray that they publish your name - and sue them. . .

 

[PCL_128]

It's perfectly legal, and done at other carriers. Get over it.

 

[Flying Ninja]

Isn't a union just a legalized version of the mafia? I've heard nothing but grief and uselessness from ALPA, APA, etc.

I'm curious as to why pilots pay their hard earned money into these mafias. Don't they want to use that money for their families and/or their own lives?

It's very puzzling.

 

[wms]

Because we are not covered by labor laws. Without negotiating we would have our days off away from home, 24 hours off a week and have no advocacy when making operational decisions concerning safety and legality that conflict with the company's priorities. The non-union companies that do have good employee relations only do it to keep unions off the property or to attract labor.

alpa has been a necessary evil, that will lose its membership if it doesn't begin some real advocacy.

 

[PCL_128]

Isn't a union just a legalized version of the mafia?

I wish. The mafia is pretty effective. ALPA under the current leadership? Not so much.

 

[SpaceShipEarth]

No, it wouldn't be that bad because then people would say screw this and leave

 

[Mk3tm]

Isn't a union just a legalized version of the mafia?

I wish. The mafia is pretty effective. ALPA under the current leadership? Not so much.

Remarkable to read a serving ALPA Exec Vice President wishing for organized crime tactics to be officially employed by ALPA. And it looks like one of the EVP capos is pissed at the capo di tutti capi.

"Union Thug" is exactly right.

Hey, don't be mistaken; thug tactics are SOP against guys who don't toe the line.

 

[PCL_128]

Nice spin, but not what I said.