Alpa President John Prater's Video Response To Age 60

[ferlo]

and of course the people in charge at ALPA want the rule moved to 65. how could they not? They probably had to rush to the restroom once they figured out how much more money in dues they would get

Exactly the same as they get now. Somebody will be paying dues from those seats. The number of seats don't change, it's the age of the arse in them.

 

[Falconjet]

The excuse the ALPA reps gave me when I asked why no furloughees they said it was because they don't get to vote.

Yet it wasn't a vote, it was a survey.

So yes, they did attempt to limit the participants of the survey in an effort to favor the pro change response.

FJ

 

[Neubyfly]

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[Andy]

While I'm going to give ALPA the benefit of the doubt on this one, they're going to have to come out publicly and strongly against this issue very soon.

I think that, at this point, we need to organize a recall effort against Prater. He is not following the direction of the membership and is clearly in favor of this change.
The question is, are there enough pilots who are angry enough to organize and floor a resolution at their council meeting?

Whereas, the pilots of ________ support the current age 60 rule for safety, and,

Whereas, the majority of ALPA membership has supported the current age 60 rule, and,

Whereas, ALPA President Prater has publicly endorsed a change to the age 60 rule, and,

Let it be resolved that, the pilots of Council __ have passed a Vote of No Confidence in ALPA President Prater, and,

Further, let it be resolved, that the pilots of Council __ direct their council leaders to influence the ___ MEC to have ALPA President Prater removed from his current position and replaced with a President who will follow the direction of the majority of ALPA and support the current age 60 rule.


Alter as you see fit. At this point, it's the only way to get the message to ALPA national.

 

[Flybynite]

I don't claim to be an expert in anything, but can a furloughee initiate a recall of the ALPA president? Just curious.

 

[Andy]

I don't claim to be an expert in anything, but can a furloughee initiate a recall of the ALPA president? Just curious.

A) There are a LOT of non-furloughees who read this; it is not intended for my personal use; it is to get people at every ALPA council to push for prater's recall. You failed to comprehend that I used the plural "WE," not "I." (DUH!)

B) I am no longer a furloughee; I was recalled on 22 Jan.

 

[Flybynite]

B) I am no longer a furloughee; I was recalled on 22 Jan.

So what happened when you presented this resolution to your LEC?

 

[Andy]

So what happened when you presented this resolution to your LEC?

My LEC has not met since prater opted to ignore the majority. Please, keep baiting me. All you are achieving is ticking off a LOT of people who are opposed to the change. Bait us enough, and you'll get a chance to see this introduced at your LEC, assuming that you're ALPA.

 

[ASARJMan]

I think that, at this point, we need to organize a recall effort against Prater. He is not following the direction of the membership and is clearly in favor of this change..

Maybe he is following the direction of those who favor changing it, who are the majority.

 

[Andy]

Maybe he is following the direction of those who favor changing it, who are the majority.

.... except that ALL polling data indicates otherwise.

 

[airfogey]

Maybe if we have a totally honest poll it will be otherwise, Andy you are welcome to retire any time you want-but I look forward to being able to fly beyond age 60--even though I am far from there now and I don't know who much further I may want to. I think that if nobody was on furlough at all nationwide and everybody upgraded in 3 years I'm sure everybody would be for changing the rule.

Airfogey

 

[SSDD]

What I took from his message was that age 65 is coming with or without ALPA's support. The best ALPA can do is participate in the program to try to build in as many safeguards as possible.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

What I took from his message was that age 65 is coming with or without ALPA's support. The best ALPA can do is participate in the program to try to build in as many safeguards as possible.

Holy Pragmatism Batman! The realities of life!!

 

[seefive]

It doesn't matter whether anyone thinks it's a done deal. APA came out fighting and ALPA's Prater didn't. I'm all for the recall and will forward to my LEC. For you naive guys who support change and think that you're not going to lose the B fund and early retirement (55) option in future contracts, wake up and prepare to get hosed. Companies are going to say......work 'til 65, then the B fund, which was designed because of age 60 retirement, is gone. Early retirement will now be 60 too.

 

[Flopgut]

My experience with Prater tells me he's going to want to make sure this gets balanced out. Like age 60+ go to FO with a longish phase in, or FOs pay protected to fly with oldsters, or something similiar. If he doesn't do something like that he'll get recalled and he knows it! It will be his fellow CAL pilots that lead the charge, we recall everybody.

Hey Flybynite: Seems the guys who act the hardest toward their fellow pilots on this are usually total mgt suck ups. I bet if your CP made an abrupt stop your head would be half way up his a$$. You know, the whole "opposite of character" coping mechanism you Stockholm syndrom sufferers rely on. Can't see yourself getting tough with your employer in your remaining years so you'd rather rip off your fellow pilots...plus your boss will appreciate your efforts. Sad.