ALPA Endorses Kerry

[bman]

The presidents record with regard to unions is abismal. Does anyone remember a time before 9/11. You guys remember his liberal usage of the PEB. He screwed those guys at comair. An ALPA carrier (unlike those @ oh say Airtran). With that kind of history why would ALPA endorse this man. As a matter of fact why would any ALPA member?

OK, explain how he screwed those guys at Comair. Also explain what he did to unions that Clinton did not and what Skarry will do to save the profession. No president will EVER allow any major carrier to strike. It will be to disruptive to the traveling public. Clinton is responsible for many many more PEB's (railroad and airlines) than Bush.

Radio;
It takes more courage to admit you made a fool and discouraged , insulted many american soldiers( that really deserve to stand there)standing in that carrier anouncing the end of the war......later to witness more American casualties and then say "we are still at war" wich is it?

You are obviously not military and have no clue. Contrary to CNN and MSNBC, the military was not offended. They were proud and excited that this President took the time to to meet them. I have freinds that were on that ship and they thought is was awsome that the President did what he did. This President has more backing from our military than any President after Reagan. If you think the military liked Clinton at all, then you are very mistaken. He was dispised.

Tim

You are wrong. Clinton did not envoke a PEB during any airline labor disputes. Bush did during the AA labor nego. Sorry Meant to say that my mistake. and as to no president will ever allow a major airline to strike your president's daddy did. The point still stands. Your president is anti labor and that is a fact. So why would ALPA endorse him. IF you can't understand why ALPA endorsed Kerry, then the "Trust us Bush" media machine has claimed another sheeple for its flock.

You Bushiphiles are so blind, deaf, and dumb. Terrorist aren't born, they are created. Tax cuts aren't free. God didn't annoint George W Bush.

I did not vote for Bush before and I will definately not be voting for him in november. I am not a socialist or a communist. I believe in regulated capitalism, but somethings shouldn't be about competition. People might be willing to take less service on an airline, but I challenge anyone to find someone who is gonna bargin shop for a neurosurgeon Let the chips fall where they may. This doesn't make me a socialist. It makes me a pragmatist. I am a liberal, becuase I don't give a $hit if two chicks wanna marry each other. If someone wants to have an abortion that is between the parents and GOD, not the government. If someone wants to use Narcotics, like say alcohol, in the privacy of their own home, that's fine by me as long as they don't go out and drive a car. I own a gun,but I don't think it is nessicary to own an assault rifle for home defense. This is america one man one vote! You don't like my views that's fine, but I will defend them like anyone else will defend theirs!!!

 

[hoya saxa]

Tim47SP,
As I recall, the pilots were able to work out a pretty good deal in spite of the order to return to work.

As were the DAL pilots who Bush said he wouldn't allow to strike, no?

 

[J3CubCapt]

Another reason, among many, why I will not renew my ALPA membership.


J3

 

[radiofly er]

JEEZ, this frustrates me! Some people feel it's ok to ridicule the political orientation of others, while at the same time displaying a flagrant lack of basic grammar and spelling. This has been addressed on other threads - how credible do you expect to be if we can't read your sh!t! Hey Radio Fly er, what does "lethan" mean, or how about "democracise" or what about "almost to none?" BTW the ousted brutal dictator's name was "Hussein" vice what you submitted.
I'm the first one to admit everyone has an opinion, but if you are going to voice it on this board to many intelligent people, try not to step on your cr@nk. Use the spell-checker, get a translation book, or have somebody type for you. Otherwise don't waist the time submitting your useless diatribes.
BTW, back to the original post, I'm an ALPA member, and whomever my union endorses, rest assured I'll vote by myself, for myself. Union association doesn't take away basic civil rights.

OK, maybe emotions and speaking your mind out make you want to send the thread as fast as possible and forget the spell check you're right! That and that my computer is going slow on me and makes me write over and over makes me a little unpatient, so bare with me a little. Anyway, this is a very serious issue, and it is no game. As far as the endoresment it's all political don't loose sleep over it, let's just get those troops back!!

 

[SWA GUY]

For all the boneheads out there that don't understand what "Mission Accomplished" was all about:

The carrier was on an extended deployment, they had an assignment, they completed the assignment, "Mission Accomplished".

You can twist, spin or taint it any way you want, but that's what the sign was for.

Thanks for supporting your military.

 

[radiofly er]

Hey Leroy,
for somebody who rambles on about spelling, you ought to at least know the meaning of the words you use. I have no idea what someone's waist, hips, legs or any other anatomical feature have to do with your post. You may want to check the meaning of waste, though. Shows you, that a spell checker only gets you so far without your education. But I am glad that you can vote by yourself. Talk about waste...

Yeah, Leroy don't waste my time, in all seriousness buddy this guy is a THREAT and it worries the heck out of me and millions of us that aren't military. His beliefs, history, childhood, fundamentalist thoughts etc.... freighten alot of people. He has not proven himself in domestic issues for example health care, social security or reforms clear enough to balance the budget. This world is less safer, there are 18,000 Alqaeda operatives around the world, they have multiplied like gremlins. Not to mention quite a few copycat operatives also waiting and waiting for an opportunity. How are we safer? I do support the military that's why they need to be back home in time for the football season.

 

[SWA GUY]

Radio,

I guess you forgot about the recent "Medicare Reform Bill", the "Education Reform Bill" and the Economic Stimulus Plan that has taken us from a nose-diving economy to an economy that is strong and growing.

Tell me again why we are not safer with the Taliban and Saddam Hussien gone?

You really need to educate yourself, read the facts, and quit quoting the DNC's mantra.

 

[SpeedBird]

For disclosure purposes I am a political conservative (read: not a stooge Republican).

I find it very short-sighted and ignorant that so many of you who find GWB a threat to your livelihood because he has supposedly demonstrated a propensity to squash organized labor; or create an environment where the airline industry at-large is being negatively impacted on a long-term basis, are missing the forest from the trees. Since 9/11 Al-Qaeda supported terrorism has declared war on our nation. The first priority that our government has to its citizens is to protect the nation's sovereignty and borders from hostile threats; which are both "external" and "internal."

How many 9/11 scenarios do you think it would take to put the vast majority of us out of work because our airline and greater economic systems would be irrepairably damaged or lost? It doesn't take a great deal of imagination to quickly realize how futile one's argument about "unfair" labor discrimination becomes when compared to the much greater threat our livelihoods face under the former scenario(s).

While I am no great fan of GWB and many of his policies I do give him great respect and credit for his unmitigated resolve to take this war to the enemy on our terms and far enough from our geographic borders to give us a chance to reinvigorate this once-broken economy and give the majority of our citizens the opportunity to get back up on their own financial feet and be self-reliant; and not dependent on the government tit for sustenance. I don't think JFK has the resolve to keep up the fight and make the tough choices that still lie ahead for our nation. When I go to vote this will be how I measure who's best to lead our nation....everything else will just be icing on the cake.

This war is far from over and will most likely be a permanent part of our lives and the lives of our children. It requires all of us to reassess our lives financially (and in many other ways also). The hot-button issues that we are all debating on these boards about what the future of our profession holds and the "race-to-the-bottom" are not unique to airline pilots, the airline industry, or our nation as whole. The richest of the "Have's" nations around the world are facing a troublesome future as the China's, India's, and many other nations which are growing in their relative prosperity want what we've taken for granted for so long.

I don't know what all the answers are either and the next presidential election will not fix what ails us. However, the next President, and the next, and the next better not forget the first priority of government to protect its citizens. To do otherwise will be too costly and make our views represented in this thread laughable.

 

[hoya saxa]

I do support the military that's why they need to be back home in time for the football season.

Gosh, thanks for your support. Fortunately those brave souls serving overseas DO understand the importance of their mission and are not there fuming that "the Man" forced them to go. They are dedicated to the cause of eradicating terrorism and keeping future threats to our security at bay. Your attempt to sound compassionate for the troops is only a thinly-veiled attempt to undermine what they have chosen to do (oh yeah, we're all volunteers). Nobody in uniform buys your BS or cares a whit for your "support." The "I love the troops so we should bring them all home" line is nothing more than the modern day re-write of Jane Fonda laughing as she looks through the sites of an NVA AAA piece. Guess what? Most of our forces in Iraq don't bother to watch CNN/ABC/CBS etc anymore because they're sick of seeing nothing but the negatives reported. Apparently the positive work of reconstruction and stabilization that takes place everyday by 137,993 troops is not newsworthy. They're not as naive and sheep-like as you think my friend. They understand what they're doing and what they're contributing to the world and America, whether the French and Michael Moore get it or not. So you can go to sleep tonight sucking your thumb and be thankful that hundreds of thousands of good Americans are overseas keeping you safe. Their sacrifices are worthwhile and they know that. The fact that you can't comprehend that is sad, but perspective (not to mention spelling, grammar and proper syntax) doesn't seem to be among your handful of attributes.

 

[captdawg]

Here's one for you DonVerita

Subject: Democrat or Republican


Are you a Democrat, Republican or Southern Republican?

Question:
How do you tell the difference between democrats, republicans and southern republicans?

Answer:
Pose the following question:
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.
What do you do?

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Democrat's Answer:
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
Does the man look poor or oppressed?
Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
Could we run away?
What does my wife think?
What about the kids?
Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
What does the law say about this situation?
Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it?
Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
Should I call 9-1-1?
Why is this street so deserted? We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healther street that would discourage such behavior.
This is so confusing!
I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.

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Republican's Answer:
BANG!

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Southern Republican's Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click....(sounds of reloading).
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click.
Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester
Silver Tips?"

You tell me who's hands were safer in?