ALPA Age 60 Survey

[labbats]

I'll vote against it when ALPA lets me in after I get off probation.

 

[Lou3]

As a career changer I got into this in my mid 30's (I am far from alone in this regard). Due to this fact, I need the additional years from 60-65. A 'yes' vote is more in line with my situation. Besides, I cannot collect full social security until I am 67 (at present, and assuming that I will collect anything by then).

You also have to bear in mind that a certain segment of the pilot population does not wish to work past age 60 (just as some are not working up to age 60) and also another segment cannot hold a first class medical past age 60 (who knows, I may be one of those). So the actual number that would take advantage of an increased retirement age would be fewer than you might think.

 

[captain caveman]

Everyone in this industry now knew the retirement age when they got in. Everyone in this industry has seen downturns before and airlines go out of business. Everyone in this industry should have a plan incase the worst happens. That shouldn't include changing the retirement age.

 

[HughBeamont]

Amen Captain Caveman. Six months ago in Boston, I listened to a US Air FO (x-captain) whine about his two x-wives and how much money they cost. He then went on to describe a cool trip he took in his Piper Cub. Waaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Lifestyle changes happen. Adapt and get over it. My family health insurance just went from $160/month to $310/month. Does that suck? Yes. Will I have to make changes? Yes. Downsizing the lifestyle is never fun, but when old pilots do anything that even remotely compromises my future, P!ss off.

 

[bailout]

I ABSOLUTELY voted for 65. Think of your future. Do you actually think you will be financially ABLE to retire when you reach 60?
If you're younger and in this business, you're on crack if you dont vote yes.

 

[Purpledog]

Take the survey and ask your block rep why they won't allow the furloughed guys to partake. I smell a sham already.

 

[PCL_128]

Bailout, if you're young and vote yes on this then you're an absolute idiot. I'm in my 20s and with a 10% contribution to my 401k I will have several million dollars if I retire at age 60. If you can't survive retirement on $3-5 million, then you've got some real problems.

 

[CarjCapt]

Vote yes so those reaching 60 and those just retired can get their pay and seat back until age 70.


For those of you that vote no you can negotiate your age 60 or less or even just quit at your leasure.

 

[dbrownie]

Raising the age now would be a disaster for the furlouged folks. Just what they need is another couple years on the street. The +60 crowd wants it all,
why not change so they could fly as FO? "NO I want it all!!!"

I think it smacks of greed from the all "about me crowd."

You knew the rules when you started this profession, don't change it
now have some dignity and class and pass on the whining.

Dave B

 

[semperfido]

Bailout, if you're young and vote yes on this then you're an absolute idiot. I'm in my 20s and with a 10% contribution to my 401k I will have several million dollars if I retire at age 60. If you can't survive retirement on $3-5 million, then you've got some real problems.

oh that assessment doesn't have too many sunny assumptions in it does it? youth - the eternal optimist

 

[TurboS7]

I have put up with 30 years of crap just to get where I am now. You young guys have had it made and have no idea how tough it can be. I remember a friend of mine with UAL spent 12 years in the back seat and still was on reserve. Finally in 85 thngs started to move. Would I vote to stay in the airplane as long as possible, you bet, all of us have earned it.

 

[PCL_128]

oh that assessment doesn't have too many sunny assumptions in it does it? youth - the eternal optimist

Actually, those are rather conservative numbers. I'm assuming a final annual earnings of no more than $150,000 and a modest ROI of 6%. Historically, I'll do much better than that. In any case, no matter how much money I end up with at retirement, I won't be trying to screw over furloughed pilots just so I can make a few more bucks.

 

[PCL_128]

I have put up with 30 years of crap just to get where I am now. You young guys have had it made and have no idea how tough it can be. I remember a friend of mine with UAL spent 12 years in the back seat and still was on reserve. Finally in 85 thngs started to move. Would I vote to stay in the airplane as long as possible, you bet, all of us have earned it.

Oh, this is really rich. You didn't "put up with 30 years of crap," you were the one dishing out the crap along with the rest of your SCAB buddies and your friend Lorenzo. After you stabbed your fellow pilots in the back by crossing the picket line, you don't even deserve the job you have now, let alone keeping it past age 60.

 

[TurboS7]

The crap is putting up with guys like you.

 

[semperfido]

Oh, this is really rich. You didn't "put up with 30 years of crap," you were the one dishing out the crap along with the rest of your SCAB buddies and your friend Lorenzo. After you stabbed your fellow pilots in the back by crossing the picket line, you don't even deserve the job you have now, let alone keeping it past age 60.

grrrrrr he says biting his tongue