ALPA....A union or not? Time to decide!

[JoeMerchant]

There are rumors floating around that CMR may be headed towards even worse days. I don't know if they are true, but the tea leaves don't look good. If we are a true union, it is time to start acting like one.

CMR has had a target on it's back since the strike in 2001. Despite what the ALPA cheerleaders say, it wasn't really a success. 89 days after the strike started, the final agreement wasn't much more than the "last, best, final agreement" prior to the strike.

During the strike, ASA flew CMR airplanes. During the strike, ALPA carriers DAL, ACA, and ASA flew CMR passengers through different hubs.

After the strike, CMR flying has been parted out to other ALPA DCI carriers.

It is time for the ALPA chest thumpers and cheerleaders to put up or shut up....I intend to bring a resolution to the floor of the next 112 LEC meeting to ask that current CMR pilots be given priority hiring WITH THEIR CMR DOH for bidding purposes.

Either we are one together or we aren't...A national seniority list may not be possible, but this certainly is.

Rez...PCL128....Nevets...Will you support this or won't you?

Don't ask people to fall on their swords "for the profession" if you aren't willing to back them up.

I'm looking for people who will bring similar resolutions to the floor of their respective LECs. This is the time to decide if we really are a "brotherhood".

Stay tuned for more....

 

[the palm]

As long as they are not senior to me I'm all for it.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Joe,
For the first time, you actually make sense. We actually control this industry, but act like unskilled labor, quaking whenever a retarded CEO, says "we aren't making enough money, we need concessions"
As individuals we have far less to lose than the retards running the companies, how bout spending some of that golden parachute money on little things like, oh lets say health care.
Start by flying "safe".
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

As long as they are not senior to me I'm all for it.

Take a close look, it is this attitude that is causing this whole industry to collapse. You may be ok right now but with BH at the helm, your "Comair" day is alot closer than you think. I just hope you manage to knock up a F/A, and get furloughed shortly there after, you your new bride and kidlet will love living in your parents basement.
Pathetic
PBR

 

[Beergut]

Joe,
For the first time, you actually make sense. We actually control this industry, but act like unskilled labor, quaking whenever a retarded CEO, says "we aren't making enough money, we need concessions"
As individuals we have far less to lose than the retards running the companies, how bout spending some of that golden parachute money on little things like, oh lets say health care.
Start by flying "safe".
PBR

Retards? Really? I've read a lot of your posts and I don't think you have any room to be casting stones.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe,
For the first time, you actually make sense. We actually control this industry, but act like unskilled labor, quaking whenever a retarded CEO, says "we aren't making enough money, we need concessions"
As individuals we have far less to lose than the retards running the companies, how bout spending some of that golden parachute money on little things like, oh lets say health care.
Start by flying "safe".
PBR

I'm sorry you don't think I usually make sense, but I'm not saying anything different than I have in the past. I have been VERY consistent over the years. Either we act as ONE, or we act separately...There cannot be any "in between". Now is the time for the ALPA cheerleaders to back me up and support the CMR pilots.

If not, then don't expect anyone else to ever take a stand again....

The blame doesn't lie with the "retards" running the companies....The blame lies with those of us who don't think several steps ahead...We have been outplayed by those "retards".....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Post the resolution.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Post the resolution.

It will be in due time....Patience grasshopper....Do you support the concept?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Email address has been established:

[email protected]

This IS NOT a decertification effort. I am looking for people to support LEC resolutions to give CMR pilots preferential hiring WITH THEIR CMR DOH.

 

[sweptback]

What do you mean, preferential hiring with their Comair DOH? Do you mean, bottom of the list, but they get paid as they were at Comair? Or they get "merged" into our list, but are considered newhires for pay? Or a full "merger" where they get both pay and seniority from their Comair date?

 

[BHopper88]

What about if you subtract Comair and add Midwest pilots? What about all the aloha pilots? Really don't know how it would be possible to implement and not divide pilot groups even more. I am sure some would support the idea but as long as they are hired somewhere else and/or don't effect their own seniority.

 

[Nevets]

There are rumors floating around that CMR may be headed towards even worse days. I don't know if they are true, but the tea leaves don't look good. If we are a true union, it is time to start acting like one.

CMR has had a target on it's back since the strike in 2001. Despite what the ALPA cheerleaders say, it wasn't really a success. 89 days after the strike started, the final agreement wasn't much more than the "last, best, final agreement" prior to the strike.

During the strike, ASA flew CMR airplanes. During the strike, ALPA carriers DAL, ACA, and ASA flew CMR passengers through different hubs.

After the strike, CMR flying has been parted out to other ALPA DCI carriers.

It is time for the ALPA chest thumpers and cheerleaders to put up or shut up....I intend to bring a resolution to the floor of the next 112 LEC meeting to ask that current CMR pilots be given priority hiring WITH THEIR CMR DOH for bidding purposes.

Either we are one together or we aren't...A national seniority list may not be possible, but this certainly is.

Rez...PCL128....Nevets...Will you support this or won't you?

Don't ask people to fall on their swords "for the profession" if you aren't willing to back them up.

I'm looking for people who will bring similar resolutions to the floor of their respective LECs. This is the time to decide if we really are a "brotherhood".

Stay tuned for more....

I support this 110%! A couple of years ago when DAL tried to get rid of Mesa and XJT was ramping up their flying with DAL as a new DCI carrier, I had a conversation with our MEC chairman and he was in total agreement that if XJT got any of their aircraft we would try to convince management to take a commensurate amount of pilots onto the XJT list with seniority in return for basically having a turnkey operation. This is the whole thrust of the ALPA Fee For Departure Task Force - career progression protection.

 

[glasspilot]

During the strike, ALPA carriers DAL, ACA, and ASA flew CMR passengers through different hubs.

Whoa there big feller!

I was at ACA at the time and we expressly refused struck work. It was huge at the time and we were unified behind it. Now after all that you're just gonna come on here and say it was all for nothing?

Sorry, some of us are still around and can call BS!

 

[Ad Lib]

I don't think ASA's MEC, or management, will act on a "rumor." It seems like a lot of rumors are going around Cincinnati that no one else is correlating in other bases.

It makes more sense for Delta to continue to operate Comair status quo (or maybe even grow) Comair is the only DCI carrier that Delta actually controls, which makes them sort of indispensable when Delta needs the flexibility to adjust its network on short notice. Comair is a Delta asset, the value & performance of that asset contributes to the bottom line.

As for one group (ASA) offering another group DOH for bidding, that would be unprecedented. Not against the idea, but your First Officers might not feel as magnanimous as you do. If it results in a large number of additional training events, you can expect your management to want something in exchange. (although ideally, they would run this as a very short course since the operation and equipment are substantially similar)

ALPA needs to work on is the reset of longevity that happens as management shifts aircraft the same brand. Protecting longevity is probably more important overall in removing management's incentive to outsource flying to the alter ego flavor of the day. A resolution to tackle that problem would likely pass by acclimation without the push back from your own pilots who would be giving up an upgrade. It would also make it much less likely that pilots would suffer career disruptions which result from managements' outsourcing / acquisition schemes.

 

[CX880]

There are rumors floating around that CMR may be headed towards even worse days. I don't know if they are true, but the tea leaves don't look good. If we are a true union, it is time to start acting like one.

CMR has had a target on it's back since the strike in 2001. Despite what the ALPA cheerleaders say, it wasn't really a success. 89 days after the strike started, the final agreement wasn't much more than the "last, best, final agreement" prior to the strike.

During the strike, ASA flew CMR airplanes. During the strike, ALPA carriers DAL, ACA, and ASA flew CMR passengers through different hubs.

After the strike, CMR flying has been parted out to other ALPA DCI carriers.

It is time for the ALPA chest thumpers and cheerleaders to put up or shut up....I intend to bring a resolution to the floor of the next 112 LEC meeting to ask that current CMR pilots be given priority hiring WITH THEIR CMR DOH for bidding purposes.

Either we are one together or we aren't...A national seniority list may not be possible, but this certainly is.

Rez...PCL128....Nevets...Will you support this or won't you?

Don't ask people to fall on their swords "for the profession" if you aren't willing to back them up.

I'm looking for people who will bring similar resolutions to the floor of their respective LECs. This is the time to decide if we really are a "brotherhood".

Stay tuned for more....

Why? What makes Comair pilots so special that they be given priority? Retribution?? Comair was a company that played into the union hype of trying to become the industry leader. They soon found out that you can't really be an industry leader when you've got 10 other regionals trying to cut your throat. Now you're blaming ALPA for your problems. How are you going to compete with the likes of Skywest or ASA when they're buying up flying? Get concessions and you too might get more CRJ-9s. You can't blame ALPA for that, it's the regional industry and it certainly doesn't owe you anything for playing the game.