Allegiant Vs. Primiras

[Roger Roger]

I've been given a choice of employment between Allegiant and Primiras. I know Primiras pays more, but does anyone out there know anyone who flies for Primiras.

For long term employment it seems that Allegiant is better but that is because I don't know anything about Primiras

Any help would be good

 

[Hoke]

Not to be a d*ck , but if you choose the Primaris job you may want to learn how to spell their name first.
Aren't they a charter outfit with a single 73 or 75?

 

[Roger Roger]

spell check would be helpful for me. they have one 75 and one 76. they were planning on getting a second 76. it's all charter work.

starting pay is 57/yr. with an upgrade of less than two years.

i did a phone interview with them and they offered me a job. since i don't know anyone who works there i didn't know anything else about them.

as far as a long term decision i would choose Allegiant, but i didn't know if someone knew something about Primaris that might change my mind.

i wanted as much info as possible to try and make a good decision.

Oh for a crystal ball.

 

[IAHERJ]

This debate you are having reminds me of a time I was driving to Texas after my seperation(which ended up becomming a divorce) in a rental truck with all my belongings. I was tired and it was very late. The town was Slidell LA, and the choices were between the Super 8 and Econo Lodge. Oh what a decission I had to make. Ended up going with the Super 8, in case anyone wondered. Got a lousy few hours sleep and ended up getting up early, sucking down some coffee and moving on down I-10 West that beautiful morning towards a new life.

Good luck!!

 

[BigMeat]

Allegiant is a neat little airline. Everyone that has gone there and stayed or moved on has said good things about it. Primas what ever the hell their name is much less known entity. I would choose Allegiant, had alot of friends go there all were happy.

 

[StandBy1]

So you did a phone interview, and they gave you faulty info on the pay and aircraft that they have? Sounds a little sketchy to me. Who did you do the phone interview with?

 

[Desert1]

Allegiant is a neat little airline. Everyone that has gone there and stayed or moved on has said good things about it. Primas what ever the hell their name is much less known entity. I would choose Allegiant, had alot of friends go there all were happy.

Well said. Most of us who work here (the less vocal ones...), tend to really like it. It's very important, like any career decision, to do your homework and make the best decision based on family and finances. Things have gotten much better in most respects here over the last 3 years, mostly due to the efforts of our pilot representatives. We're looking at another round of negotiations which look to spell another consecutive year of significant improvements in pay and benefits (base hourly, profit sharing, retirement).

There is work to be done but progress is being made on a continual basis. I could go elsewhere but I choose to stay. I've been at the majors and hated every minute of it. To each his own. It's all about what you're looking to get out of a job.

I feel Allegiant has a very bright future and a very profitable and solid business plan.

Good luck in your decision.

D1

 

[Roger Roger]

So you did a phone interview, and they gave you faulty info on the pay and aircraft that they have? Sounds a little sketchy to me. Who did you do the phone interview with?

Jason was the guys name. When he emailed me the title he had was Chief Pilot/VP of flight Ops.

it's good to hear what some people have been saying about my question.

 

[Snapshot]

Unless you've got some stellar rec from someone high on the ladder, getting hired over the phone is a bit of a red flag.
What, exactly don't they want you to see?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=r...lbts84PIpx2E-M3nw&sig2=nGwdUsF6CTbwHZDNO1tA5Q

 

[Whine Lover]

- Primaris...A little known quantity, with grandiose plans ( that are ever changing ), and NO real successful execution thereof to date.

- Allegiant...A known quantity, solid planning, and a track record of execution so far. ( Observe their Route Map.)


HMMM ??

Decisions, Decisions...NOT.


YKW

 

[Formula1]

Primaris- has 2 757's and getting a 3rd one soon- no 767s yet. I have a friend who has been there for a year and will be upgrading by the end of the year. He does all international flying which would be different than flying for Allegiant doing all domestic flying.

My friend has done charters to the carribean and central and south america. Also Poland, Sweden, Spain, Egypt. Primaris is also supposed to be starting a contract this month going from Vancouver B.C. to China with a fuel stop in Russia along the way. So I would think it would be a matter of doing international charter versus scheduled 121 domestic.

Also Primaris will buy you tickets to and from work- no jumpseating to work.

 

[TheRaven]

Would you rather I shoot you with a .9mm or a .44...........I think that given this choice Allegiant is the obvious choice.

 

[On Your Six]

Allegiant - no question about it.

 

[PHX767]

Jason was the guys name. When he emailed me the title he had was Chief Pilot/VP of flight Ops.

it's good to hear what some people have been saying about my question.

The pay at Primaris is $57/ hour to start.

3 757's at present. Maybe a 767 later, maybe not.

Not to sound rude, but maybe you need to review the notes of your conversation so you will be more aware of the decision points.

 

[Bad-Andy]

as far as a long term decision i would choose Allegiant, but i didn't know if someone knew something about Primaris that might change my mind.

Depends. Do you live in an Allegiant base? Can you survive the year or two on the low F/O pay? Would you rather do scheduled domestic 121 flying or int'l non-sched flying? Have you ever done the non-sched thing before? If not, look into it a little more first. It's not for everyone-- unstructured, always changing, no "real" hard-lines, etc. Some of us prefer the non-sched environment (it's certainly a lot more interesting, and most of the crews are great...), but like I said, it's not for everyone...

Primaris is good as far as non-scheds go. Is it Delta or CAL? No, but not all of us want to fly for CAL or Delta...

 

[SaabStory]

Can't comment on Primaris, but as for Allegiant; Solid, well run, profitable, growing, & good guys to work with. IMHO.

former AAY pilot

 

[FlyinScotsman]

Does Allegiant have shiny new 787's on order??

Primaris does, 40 if my memory is correct (don't always count on it being correct though)

I don't really care who does what, but I thought I would throw that in anyway.

 

[BRA]

Does Allegiant have shiny new 787's on order??

Primaris does, 40 if my memory is correct (don't always count on it being correct though)

I don't really care who does what, but I thought I would throw that in anyway.

Allegiant has more MD80s coming, and with new paint, all the aircraft are shiny. May be not new though. They wash the ones they currently have too.

 

[RP170]

Where are they getting the 80's from that they have been getting recently?

 

[chperplt]

Where are they getting the 80's from that they have been getting recently?

All over the world...

Enjoy Net Jets and don't look back at what might have been.

 

[kamikaize]

GO GATORS!!!!! How was your trip amigo? I've been thinking of joining my boys in jfk

 

[Old School 737]

Does Allegiant have shiny new 787's on order??

Primaris does, 40 if my memory is correct (don't always count on it being correct though)

I don't really care who does what, but I thought I would throw that in anyway.[/quo


Primaris was going to be the launch customer for the 787. Guess the check did not show up! If their website is still going check it out. They are suposed to have lots of airplanes and fly all over the place.
Ha...Ha...!

 

[Desert1]

Depends. Do you live in an Allegiant base? Can you survive the year or two on the low F/O pay? Would you rather do scheduled domestic 121 flying or int'l non-sched flying? Have you ever done the non-sched thing before? If not, look into it a little more first. It's not for everyone-- unstructured, always changing, no "real" hard-lines, etc. Some of us prefer the non-sched environment (it's certainly a lot more interesting, and most of the crews are great...), but like I said, it's not for everyone...

Primaris is good as far as non-scheds go. Is it Delta or CAL? No, but not all of us want to fly for CAL or Delta...

Survive the first year pay at Allegiant?? As opposed to what? Legacy Carriers??

NWA? year 1 FO = $30, year 2 FO = $57
CAL?.................. $31.................. $56
UAL? ..................$32.................. $50
USAIR?............... $25.................. $57

New pay rates effective Nov 1 07 for Allegiant:

Year 1 = $41 (no change), Year 2 = $51

So, let's put this in perspective: year 1 at AAY is roughly 25% higher than Legacies (always has been) and year 2 is comparable, BUT most haven't made it to year 2, as they've already upgraded (that's not expected to change anytime soon). So at year 2, per the 1 Nov pay scale, they would be forced to 'survive' on $85/hour not including 130% over 81 hrs and a generous yearly profit sharing bonus.

Tough sleddin'.

Down the road? Here's another comparison that includes the '09 pay rates for captain:

NWA 10 yr DC-9 = $122 in 2009
UAL 10 yr 737 = $130 in 2009
US(east) 10yr737=$122 in 2009
AAY 10 yr MD80 = $124 in 2009

Again, above table does not include profit sharing or variable compensation (130% > 81 Hrs).

Just wanted to clear things up a bit as there's a mindset (along with a myriad of posts) that AAY is paid bottom-feeder wages. Although that may have been the case in the past, (like most start-ups), times are a changin'. An apples to apples comparison places AAY on par with legacy carriers that have been in business for generations. It has little to no competition and a business plan that has resulted in an unprecedented 18% profit margin. we've doubled in size every year since we started and the future looks very bright.

Best part, thanks to our advisory group, we've been making remarkable improvements in compensation over the last 3 years and will continue to do so with the new rates.

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