I will ignore the fact that people can't seem to keep from attacking me personally when I only talked about AAY. Your defensiveness Desert speaks volumes about you.(BTW I got my growth figures from MSNBC you got yours from the AAPAG website, I also did not get a 20% raise it works out to about 8%, I am to smart to trust slick accounting!) This forum needs to know that we all don't buy into the "new and different" way of thinking that management here started. This "new and different" thinking still allows no protection for us when we are sold or merged into another company. This is why so many people are leaving or trying to leave AAY!!
AAPAG needs to think of everyone at this company not just the senior LAS pilots who live in base. You are elected reps and if you can't take listening to another point of view or take criticism you need to grow thicker skin. I will not argue anymore and you can say what you want. You know the saying about arguing on the internet. I have said my piece.
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Attacking you personally"? Who's being defensive now CD? Again, as expected, a myopic and ill-informed, childish response. Please re-read the post. For the sake of the
coherent readers of this board, I'll refresh your memory. 8% was negotiated last year along with 130% of everything over 81 hrs. When combined with roughly 10% the year prior (which AAPAG also negotiated) it amounts to roughly 20%.
You trust MSNBC?!?? Laughable as that is, it certainly explains a lot. The growth figures are direct quotes from the senior VP of operations to a recurrent class.
To be honest, as much as this has been mildly amusing, I'm pleased you will not argue anymore. At best, it's a complete waste of people's time even reading your posts. At worst, it could serve to discourage many who might otherwise be a good fit at Allegiant. We're going to need people for future growth, so your (incoherant, illogical, completely off course, poorly researched and thought-out) posts are potentially harmful to those of us wanting to make a go of this place. Other than that, they're ok...
Why not be a sport and quit publicly bashing the very company that feeds you on this forum. Try being a bit more loyal to the group that hired you and trained you. If you can't effect change within your company by taking a positive leadership role, or at least supportive of those who are (AAPAG), it's best to remain silent while looking at other opportunities. In contrast, like a spoiled child, you feel free to publicly slam not only your present company, but those within who are trying to make this a better place for you. This would be laughable if it weren't so tragic.
Again, you appear to be new to this industry so I'll clue you in: it's called bad karma. Have you ever heard of the term
'Brand X'? It's a term used by pilots to refer to their previous employer. Ever wonder why they don't use the actual name? Think about it. You're stepping on a lot of toes CD. As you say about arguing on the internet, nothing is classified. It's a small industry...ya never know who's listening. As ill-advised as burning bridges may be, it's even worse when when you're burning the bridge
while you're still standing on it.
Your sense of entitlement for a new guy is truly astounding. You probably haven't even sat reserve, are making industry standard FO first year pay, and you're home every night. You've seen 20% increases in the last 2 years and stand to see at least another 10-20% this year. Tough sledding huh?
Face it, people like you are impossible to please, you'll never be happy. AAPAG (or ALPA) could give you 350 days off a year and you'd complain because you had to work on a Sunday. They (AAPAG) have to remain focused on the needs and desires of the '90 percentile'. The remaining 10% that reside on the extremes will never be happy. That seems to be the case no matter where you go.
As to the criticism, put your money where your mouth is, step up and take your licks. It might be a growth opportunity and give you a chance to walk in AAPAG's shoes. Go volunteer YOUR precious time and energy gathering inputs, massaging egos and battling with management. All to be 'criticized' by the likes of you. Seriosly, next time, use
internal means. While you're at it, how 'bout you provide some suggestions for actually solving the problems. Otherwise you just come off as a whiner.
Before I move on to more productive activities, I'll leave you with this question: Do you really believe the carriers you quoted (SWA, FEX, UPS) as
having their act together actually started out that way with people behaving like you?...or more like the leaders who try so hard to effect positiive change. You want to hitch your wagon to the tail-end of a carrier that has already been built by great leaders, fine, knock yourself out. But please, stop denigrating the efforts of those who are trying to do the same here...and just move along.
...now go back to your room and color.
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I can't believe that he is so unhappy. Maybe it is time for CD, or G&P to just move on. Allegiant could give him a heart attack.
