Allegiant sub charters

[labbats]

If these upgrades continue one would never see year 4 pay as an FO at spirit. Currently projected at 2 years, 3 months...

I came to Allegiant for the 2 year upgrade 5 years ago.

Still waiting.

 

[ROSWELL41]

I came to Allegiant for the 2 year upgrade 5 years ago.

Still waiting.

This. Choosing a place based on current upgrade time is fools gold. Have other reasons to want to work there.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Yeah, once the quick upgrade identified it's usually too late.

 

[Jeff Lebowski]

I came to Allegiant for the 2 year upgrade 5 years ago.

Still waiting.

Everyone on the FO side of things, save for a few senior 'close to upgrade FOs' have applications out and will leave at the first possible opportunity. This is what I've heard. If you look at the difference in the total compensation packages it not hard to see why pilots want to leave. The question is how many captains will leave if they get the chance. So far this whole 'hiring boom' has been going off like a wet fire cracker.

 

[reepicheep]

Well the primary reason to stick with Allegiant was QOL/schedules now even that has gone down the $h!tter with the advent of HAL so I suspect even captains will start looking at Spirit jetBlue Vigin in addition to the legacies of course. The question is how many/ how fast.

 

[Mr Wu]

The senior captains have not seen the crap that merlot throws out yet. Round about Sept-Oct-Nov when they start to hit that rolling 1000 limit and start getting the lines the junior guys are getting now is when the reality will set in. Then you'll see the apps going out.

 

[CX880]

Isn't Allegiant one of the most profitable airlines out there? Why is there no l:0ve from management regarding pay and benefits?

 

[Noodles]

All the senior people are feeling the love with their February schedules. Everyone is suffering now.

 

[reepicheep]

True.....HAL gave even senior folks lines with 12 days off and reserve days thrown in....

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

Isn't Allegiant one of the most profitable airlines out there? Why is there no l:0ve from management regarding pay and benefits?

That may change come Wednesday when the 4th Quarter financials are announced and we see what the effect of 2 months of outsourced flying has on the bottom line. Yes, Allegiant has been consistently profitable and even squeezed out a small profit when oil was $146/barrel and everyone else was hemorrhaging cash. Times have changed now. Almost all carriers are making boatloads of cash while offering compensation packages that make us look like a laughing stock. Instead of reinvesting that money into the business to create a product that doesn't inspire hate mail from passengers, they dump tens of millions into stock buybacks and dividends to shareholders. I've always admired the niche that we have and I thought that we could make an affordable, reliable product that would all but guarantee our long-term success. Unfortunately, greed has destroyed a once very viable business.

 

[crxpilot]

That may change come Wednesday when the 4th Quarter financials are announced and we see what the effect of 2 months of outsourced flying has on the bottom line. Yes, Allegiant has been consistently profitable and even squeezed out a small profit when oil was $146/barrel and everyone else was hemorrhaging cash. Times have changed now. Almost all carriers are making boatloads of cash while offering compensation packages that make us look like a laughing stock. Instead of reinvesting that money into the business to create a product that doesn't inspire hate mail from passengers, they dump tens of millions into stock buybacks and dividends to shareholders. I've always admired the niche that we have and I thought that we could make an affordable, reliable product that would all but guarantee our long-term success. Unfortunately, greed has destroyed a once very viable business.

I couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[BigFlyr]

Because Allegiant pilots do not have a contract to prevent this..... When you get a contract make sure there is language to prevent this.

We are both members of Teamsters local 1224... If anything we at "Miami Air" are helping out our union brothers while they sort out their training issues.

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

We are both members of Teamsters local 1224... If anything we at "Miami Air" are helping out our union brothers while they sort out their training issues.

Just as long as you don't "help us out" after we are released from mediation.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

I worry that the subcontract flying goes much further than most Allegiant pilots realize. I don't think the hundreds of contracted flights are due to a sudden shortage of pilots or short sighted thinking on behalf of management. I worry that Allegiant Air's management is doing this on purpose. I think this is their trial run to see if they can operate an airline without their own airline pilots on staff and still maintain an acceptable level of profitability.
Evidently one of Allegiant's largest contract companies has been hiring pilots like gangbusters to fill the amount of flying Allegiant management is asking them to do. That's not indicative of a temporary problem. I believe it is Allegiant management's plan to shift flying from their own pilots to contractors over the next few years just as they've shifted many parts of the operation to contractors.
If this is the case, perhaps the best way Allegiant pilots can avoid losing their jobs is to make it so contacting does not appear profitable for the company. They also must pressure the FAA and investors to come down hard on Allegiant Management when their contractors screw up, which they do quite often. I hope that I am wrong about Allegiant management's intentions.

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

For a twist of irony, one pilot who was terminated a year ago due to substandard performance is now flying our passengers again because he got a job at one of the contracted carriers.