Allegiant sub charters

[Noodles]

I don't know who that is, so I don't know.

 

[Huskers1]

I think estimates of attrition are overblown. Yeah almost everyone's looking but at the same 3 airlines (ok, plus maybe Alaska if you have a Silver Bullet and SW if you don't mind a 15-year upgrade) along with 15,000 other apps.

Could take a few years to score an interview unless you know someone.

I know senior (top 75) Captains who are looking at jetBlue, Hawaiian, multiple foreign carriers and don't forget UPS and FedEx when they start hiring again. You are right, not a mass exodus (like may occur from the bottom of the list) but more then just the Big 3.

 

[reepicheep]

And I wish them the best of luck! It's still devilishly hard to get an airline job, that's all I'm saying. Even for well-qualified folks like MD80 Captains....

 

[Grey Ghost]

Geesh!!!!!!

 

[BRA]

I think estimates of attrition are overblown. Yeah almost everyone's looking but at the same 3 airlines (ok, plus maybe Alaska if you have a Silver Bullet and SW if you don't mind a 15-year upgrade) along with 15,000 other apps.

Could take a few years to score an interview unless you know someone.

I've thought about this same thing. 6 legacy airlines turned into 3 and two LCCs turned into one. That is more pressure on anyone interviewing and tougher on the person that doesn't interview well. I think more commuters will be under pressure to leave from either seat even for what seems like a lateral move just to get more time at home. One and two days off at a time just doesn't work.

 

[ROSWELL41]

We've had some G4 guys in class at Spirit as well. Easier for many to get a west coast base (LAS).

 

[reepicheep]

Definitely a good move for anyone who can afford the pay hit. I wouldn't advise anyone to go to G4 anymore, even if they do live in FL.

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

Definitely a good move for anyone who can afford the pay hit. I wouldn't advise anyone to go to G4 anymore, even if they do live in FL.

I think the pay hit doesn't last as long as people think. With their contract you will easily surpass Allegiant FO pay in your second year (if not sooner) and will be making Allegiant CA pay in years 3-4 as a Spirit FO.

 

[foodstamps]

I think the pay hit doesn't last as long as people think. With their contract you will easily surpass Allegiant FO pay in your second year (if not sooner) and will be making Allegiant CA pay in years 3-4 as a Spirit FO.

If these upgrades continue one would never see year 4 pay as an FO at spirit. Currently projected at 2 years, 3 months...

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

If these upgrades continue one would never see year 4 pay as an FO at spirit. Currently projected at 2 years, 3 months...

Even better!

 

[labbats]

If these upgrades continue one would never see year 4 pay as an FO at spirit. Currently projected at 2 years, 3 months...

I came to Allegiant for the 2 year upgrade 5 years ago.

Still waiting.

 

[ROSWELL41]

I came to Allegiant for the 2 year upgrade 5 years ago.

Still waiting.

This. Choosing a place based on current upgrade time is fools gold. Have other reasons to want to work there.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Yeah, once the quick upgrade identified it's usually too late.

 

[Jeff Lebowski]

I came to Allegiant for the 2 year upgrade 5 years ago.

Still waiting.

Everyone on the FO side of things, save for a few senior 'close to upgrade FOs' have applications out and will leave at the first possible opportunity. This is what I've heard. If you look at the difference in the total compensation packages it not hard to see why pilots want to leave. The question is how many captains will leave if they get the chance. So far this whole 'hiring boom' has been going off like a wet fire cracker.

 

[reepicheep]

Well the primary reason to stick with Allegiant was QOL/schedules now even that has gone down the $h!tter with the advent of HAL so I suspect even captains will start looking at Spirit jetBlue Vigin in addition to the legacies of course. The question is how many/ how fast.

 

[Mr Wu]

The senior captains have not seen the crap that merlot throws out yet. Round about Sept-Oct-Nov when they start to hit that rolling 1000 limit and start getting the lines the junior guys are getting now is when the reality will set in. Then you'll see the apps going out.

 

[CX880]

Isn't Allegiant one of the most profitable airlines out there? Why is there no l:0ve from management regarding pay and benefits?

 

[Noodles]

All the senior people are feeling the love with their February schedules. Everyone is suffering now.

 

[reepicheep]

True.....HAL gave even senior folks lines with 12 days off and reserve days thrown in....

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

Isn't Allegiant one of the most profitable airlines out there? Why is there no l:0ve from management regarding pay and benefits?

That may change come Wednesday when the 4th Quarter financials are announced and we see what the effect of 2 months of outsourced flying has on the bottom line. Yes, Allegiant has been consistently profitable and even squeezed out a small profit when oil was $146/barrel and everyone else was hemorrhaging cash. Times have changed now. Almost all carriers are making boatloads of cash while offering compensation packages that make us look like a laughing stock. Instead of reinvesting that money into the business to create a product that doesn't inspire hate mail from passengers, they dump tens of millions into stock buybacks and dividends to shareholders. I've always admired the niche that we have and I thought that we could make an affordable, reliable product that would all but guarantee our long-term success. Unfortunately, greed has destroyed a once very viable business.