Allegiant Rnwy Overrun

[Mr Wu]

flaps 28 instead of 40 Witness say the plane didn't land in the TDZ..

Flaps 28 is the preferred landing setting. The approach end of 15 is not easily visible from the ramp of this predominantly GA, non-towered airport whose users think the touchdown zone means the numbers.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Flaps 28 is the preferred landing setting...

I hope that flap setting was used in this case for approach/climb limitations and not noise abatement.

Even with 8500 ft of runway, aircraft performance allowing, flaps 40 would be more conservative. This is due to considering the combination of not only being being close to max landing weight, but also the higher true airspeed and resulting higher touchdown speed due to the airport's elevation.

Flaps 40 on roll out also provide more drag to aide slowing, while reverse thrust and ground spoilers may not be as effective due to elevation.

If flaps 40 was not available because of app/clmb, then the crew had no choice.

My 2 cents...

 

[Flydaplane]

Why would you say flaps 28 is the preferred landing setting? I almost always use flaps 40 in the 80.

 

[chperplt]

Why would you say flaps 28 is the preferred landing setting? I almost always use flaps 40 in the 80.

He said that because at AAY, flaps 28 is the preferred landing flap setting according to the AOM.

Preferred setting is just that... preferred. It is not required. I use flaps 40 99% of the time.

 

[tathepilot]

Flaps 28 is the preferred landing setting. The approach end of 15 is not easily visible from the ramp of this predominantly GA, non-towered airport whose users think the touchdown zone means the numbers.

Flaps 28 might be the preferred setting, but a flaps 40 might have helped the situation.

Note: This is what was conveyed to me from a G4 CA. A few months ago G4 started to prefer flaps 28 to help with fuel consumption, along with no reverse 'if possible'.

 

[chperplt]

Flaps 28 might be the preferred setting, but a flaps 40 might have helped the situation.

Absolutely correct....

 

[Mr Wu]

Like I said, flaps 28 is the preferred setting.

The empty line above is to accomodate reading.

 

[Mr Wu]

Note: This is what was conveyed to me from a G4 CA. A few months ago G4 started to prefer flaps 28 to help with fuel consumption, along with no reverse 'if possible'.

Got the memo about the flaps 28, missed the one about the reverse.

 

[chperplt]

Got the memo about the flaps 28, missed the one about the reverse.

That's because there wasn't one...

 

[ultrarunner]

A few months ago G4 started to prefer flaps 28 to help with fuel consumption....

Classic....


and don't use the TR's if you don't have to...

and don't use the brakes if you don't have to...

unless its 105 F don't run both packs if you don't have to....


don't start number two until 30 seconds before take off...if you don't have too..


blah blah blah

 

[flying zephyr]

glad to hear Midwest isn't the only one with all these suggestions. We're talking about strippin' paint to get rid of excess weight. No flight attendant jokes please, we really have a good group for the most part.

 

[Donsa320]

glad to hear Midwest isn't the only one with all these suggestions. We're talking about strippin' paint to get rid of excess weight. No flight attendant jokes please, we really have a good group for the most part.

Lordy, I recall many years ago on North Central Airlines, the company wanted to paint more of the DC-3 fuselage than the then current paint scheme covered. The ever brilliant maintenance department estimated how many gallons of paint that would take, put the paint cans on a scale and announced that it would be too heavy.

DC

 

[Colonel Savage]

...The ever brilliant maintenance department estimated how many gallons of paint that would take, put the paint cans on a scale and announced that it would be too heavy...

And the ever brilliant management team bought it!

 

[Tri-holer]

Well before it was "preferred" at G4, I was jumpseating on Delta and we landed flaps 28. When I asked the captain about it, he said the company saves fuel that way. I think he said it was about 280 pounds. They also used flaps 25 prior to gear extension.

And Delta has a lot more experience operating the Mad Dog than G4 does.

 

[chperplt]

Well before it was "preferred" at G4, I was jumpseating on Delta and we landed flaps 28. When I asked the captain about it, he said the company saves fuel that way. I think he said it was about 280 pounds. They also used flaps 25 prior to gear extension.

And Delta has a lot more experience operating the Mad Dog than G4 does.

AA lands flaps 28 as well..... when it's appropriate.