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I did my multi through ATP. I talked to my instructor, who had to go through all of ATP's training. He did the CRJ, and Citation training. When I flew with him, he had about 900 hours TT something like 750 Multi. I asked him how those courses were, and if they helped. His short, blunt reply "No."rvt102096 said:
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I don't see how that would help anyone. And if anyone thinks a recruiter would be like- Whoa- You have the RJ certification from ATP, well I think it's about as useful as a certification of competency from like- Home Depot in tile installation. Yeah, you can grout tile, but it'll still look like sh1t.
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You'd be better of buying a FMS simulator software and learning it; buying the CBT software for the RJ of your choice and learning it.
I've never done All ATPs program for the RJ but I don't think its required.
Most people don't wash out of training because they couldn't work the FMS. Its usually other factors that are involved.
You'd be better of taking that $800 and giving it to a pilot for the regional that just hired you to get a hold of their training materials early, so between your interview and class date, you can study for what really matters, not some RJ that you might not fly.
I've never done All ATPs program for the RJ but I don't think its required.
Most people don't wash out of training because they couldn't work the FMS. Its usually other factors that are involved.
You'd be better of taking that $800 and giving it to a pilot for the regional that just hired you to get a hold of their training materials early, so between your interview and class date, you can study for what really matters, not some RJ that you might not fly.
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I think it would help with her knowledge of the rj and her ability to fly a glass cockpit, which would help out a lot if she was interviewing at a place where they put you in a level d sim (ASA)..other than that, Im sure it looks good but I dont think most recruiters would give it a second look. I used to teach for ATP and I would not have ever done it unless I had an interview with ASA.... even then I probably wouldnt. too much money
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I would say most of the problems with training are not from being in a glass cockpit. Not knowing call outs, profiles, limitations, and memory items well is the best way to not make it through sim training. Being able to fly instruments well also will go a long way towards lowering that washout rate.
As far as the washout rate in the majors, most all those pilots were regional or military pilots who flew various gages. But they all had way more experience than most of those going through new training in the regionals.
I would say to save your money.
As far as the washout rate in the majors, most all those pilots were regional or military pilots who flew various gages. But they all had way more experience than most of those going through new training in the regionals.
I would say to save your money.
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I would say the best thing to prepare for sim training is flying a sim. Even if its a Frasca 242 or somin. Tunr up the performance, turn up the turbulence. Turn off the artificial control feel and just zip around and do some approaches. Don't bother learning ahead of time how to do a V1 cut. Every company is going to have different procedures and callouts. Just get really frosty at Basic attitude so you can learn and remember what those callouts and memory items were when the time comes. The basic idea is to keep the blue side up. That part won't change going from piston props to turbojets. Best of luck I would not bother with an RJ class unless you got the money and are really jonesing for it.
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I would have to agree with Dodge, learning the profiles and the calls should be at the top of your friends list.
There is no magic to flying glass, you will learn what the symbology(sp) means and the switches do in ground school.
If your friend can get ahold of the A/C systems manual before class tell her to read it. Not to know how every system works in detail but to get an idea of what the instructor will be teaching in systems class. (This is assuming they actually teach and not just read from the book).
If she wants to memorize limitations or profiles try to get the company specific info. You don't want to memorize the wrong info.
As to getting sim time before training, probably not needed. The first part of sim 1 will be airwork and stalls, you will get a feel for it then. Just think of it as a big computer game.
There is no magic to flying glass, you will learn what the symbology(sp) means and the switches do in ground school.
If your friend can get ahold of the A/C systems manual before class tell her to read it. Not to know how every system works in detail but to get an idea of what the instructor will be teaching in systems class. (This is assuming they actually teach and not just read from the book).
If she wants to memorize limitations or profiles try to get the company specific info. You don't want to memorize the wrong info.
As to getting sim time before training, probably not needed. The first part of sim 1 will be airwork and stalls, you will get a feel for it then. Just think of it as a big computer game.
Better than that
Not sure about total time or ratings but MESA has a similar program at San Juan College where you learn all 10 lessons in a CRJ sim plus the systems course. You can sleep through the ground school if you go to the CRJ and most do go stright there as an FO. Most who fail fail because they are not prepared for complicated profiles. You have to continue to study throughout your sim time with your sim partner. Most who fail fail with their partner at the same time.
If you have 1500 TT you can attend MAPDs plus program and have a garonteed interview when you complete the program. Cost like 5Gs and will help you through the ground course especically if this is your first jet.
If you dont have the total time consider theif 3 month pace program. 250 TT and SE comercial is all that is requiered. They will place you in a CRJ at 270 TT if you go through this program.
No ratings at all? Consider the Abnitio program. 210 TT gets you an interview and usually the CRJ. 100 Percent hire rate from the last class. All so far have completed their initial training reguardless of aircraft. (CRJ and ERJ).
PM me your phone # and Ill give you the scoop.
18002326327 is the recruiting line. They wont mislead you. Steer well clear of ATP unless you just want the piece of paper that says you can fly a plane.
I am a graduate. FO on CRJ. The program is superior.
Not sure about total time or ratings but MESA has a similar program at San Juan College where you learn all 10 lessons in a CRJ sim plus the systems course. You can sleep through the ground school if you go to the CRJ and most do go stright there as an FO. Most who fail fail because they are not prepared for complicated profiles. You have to continue to study throughout your sim time with your sim partner. Most who fail fail with their partner at the same time.
If you have 1500 TT you can attend MAPDs plus program and have a garonteed interview when you complete the program. Cost like 5Gs and will help you through the ground course especically if this is your first jet.
If you dont have the total time consider theif 3 month pace program. 250 TT and SE comercial is all that is requiered. They will place you in a CRJ at 270 TT if you go through this program.
No ratings at all? Consider the Abnitio program. 210 TT gets you an interview and usually the CRJ. 100 Percent hire rate from the last class. All so far have completed their initial training reguardless of aircraft. (CRJ and ERJ).
PM me your phone # and Ill give you the scoop.
18002326327 is the recruiting line. They wont mislead you. Steer well clear of ATP unless you just want the piece of paper that says you can fly a plane.
I am a graduate. FO on CRJ. The program is superior.
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WHAT IS THIS AN ADVERTISEMENT.Superkell said:
Pretty clever marketing department there at Mesa MAPD. Go on a message board and pretend to be a graduate who has nothing but good things to say about a program. Hey I got an idea. Why don't you get an interview. If you get hired, depending on where you go. They just might pay you to go to the classes and for the sim. Now theres a funny concept, getting paid to due the training. Call me crazy, but I prefer it that way.
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Spend more time helping people than worrying what my profile says. It says what I put in when I signed up Dec 2001.
If you don't agree with anything I've said, please do correct me. You are after all a CRJ instructor and could probably write a book on washouts. I bow down before you.
If you don't agree with anything I've said, please do correct me. You are after all a CRJ instructor and could probably write a book on washouts. I bow down before you.
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Well Well Well if it sounds to good to be true 20 percent of the pilot group at Mesa is from these programs. I use to be a recruiter for the program but now I am a new FO on the CRJ 200, 700, and 900 flying in three separate code shares. America West, United, and U.S. Airways. I completed the Pace program earlier this year and was hired with only 550 total time. (Right after the program). Some of the Ab Initio students in my MESA ground school had only 230TT. If you think that it is to good to be true pm me your phone # and Ill give you the scoop. I am not employed by the school any more. Anyone who accuses me of being a student there is smoking crack. The ground school was just a review. The instruction that I received at San Juan was very in-depth and more challenging that the actual ground school at Mesa. I could have passed the systems test on the first day of ground. All of the other students pair up with the San Juaners to study. The Sim was just like the one at San Juan except it moved. The examiner said that I was one of the best new hire FOs that he had ever seen.
Over a year ago the first message that I ever posted on this board was an inquire about the program. The responses were mixed but not from the Mesa pilots who had actually attended the program. All of the graduates who responded had good things to say. Our current chief pilot is s graduate of the program and he has a class date at Southwest Airlines next month.
Often I am asked about the program by jump seaters who are looking for advise for their friends and children.
I am not on any ALPA scab list like a few of you may be thinking. The Freedom A list does not contain my name or any of the names of my classmates. We work for Mesa.
I have enjoyed my time here so far except for one jack A$$ captain that I flew a couple of legs with during IOE.
No one who has been through any of these programs will tell you anything bad about them and that includes the small handful that were not hired by Mesa.
Again PM me and Ill tell you the details!
CRJ F.O. and loving it.
Over a year ago the first message that I ever posted on this board was an inquire about the program. The responses were mixed but not from the Mesa pilots who had actually attended the program. All of the graduates who responded had good things to say. Our current chief pilot is s graduate of the program and he has a class date at Southwest Airlines next month.
Often I am asked about the program by jump seaters who are looking for advise for their friends and children.
I am not on any ALPA scab list like a few of you may be thinking. The Freedom A list does not contain my name or any of the names of my classmates. We work for Mesa.
I have enjoyed my time here so far except for one jack A$$ captain that I flew a couple of legs with during IOE.
No one who has been through any of these programs will tell you anything bad about them and that includes the small handful that were not hired by Mesa.
Again PM me and Ill tell you the details!
CRJ F.O. and loving it.
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I don't give this link out to just anyone, but since you're the best new hire FO, here it is.Superkell said:
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