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Worth the wait

I'm waiting to start with Alaska because I'm in the "hired" pool, and that is where I want to work. You've heard the old addage, "location, location, location"? Well, my desire to fly for an airline is "Alaska, Alaska, Alaska"!

Besides, the pool will be emptied "any day now",
 
Dogg,

Why do you always sound so bitter and jaded whenever you talk about Alaska?
Inquiring minds would like to know?
 
Not as bitter as Rhino is because they won't call him for a class. Maybe he just isn't qualified enough, or maybe they have seen his e-mails.
 
mach none said:
Dogg,

Why do you always sound so bitter and jaded whenever you talk about Alaska?
Inquiring minds would like to know?

Mach-you are right. I do sound that way and as such I should check my tone...

As to the why......with the exception of singlecoil, the rest of the Alaska posters, in my opinion, come across very "uppity" for lack of a better word. And, from what I can gather, that is a fair representation of the entire flight operations organization there. The implications that somehow the entire organization is a cut above the rest just rubs a raw spot.. It seems,that for an airline that is consistently un-profitable, all this pride may just come before the fall.

I don't ever get that attitude from the SWA guys or the FedEx guys or the UPS guys. Simple as that... So I just call BS when I see and hear it.....

I will however be more mindful of my tone and try to be more positive in the future. Thanks for pointing it out...
 
OK. Well, I would have thought the last thing I come across as is "uppity". I usually just post whatever info I have. I stay out of the fray, and usually refrain from "opinions" unless specifically stated as such. There is nothing that I have posted that i wouldn't sign my name to. In fact, I have never tried to hide who I am or where I work while posting here, and have attempted to try and reflect positively on both myself and my company.

But, thanks for your critique. Maybe I can "check my tone" too, just to be sure.
 
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Dogg:

I did not think I was uppity. I appologize if I have been.

I like where I am and enjoy the people I fly with. As do all here. The "attitude" you allude to most likely comes from the HR moffia and their matrix for getting an interview and a job.

All airlines have problems. Including SWA and JB. Each group has their own personality too. Withing that group, the personalities change between bases as well.

I encourage you to pursue your goals and the airline that best suits you.
 
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dogg said:
Mach-you are right. I do sound that way and as such I should check my tone...

As to the why......with the exception of singlecoil, the rest of the Alaska posters, in my opinion, come across very "uppity" for lack of a better word. And, from what I can gather, that is a fair representation of the entire flight operations organization there. The implications that somehow the entire organization is a cut above the rest just rubs a raw spot.. It seems,that for an airline that is consistently un-profitable, all this pride may just come before the fall.

I don't ever get that attitude from the SWA guys or the FedEx guys or the UPS guys. Simple as that... So I just call BS when I see and hear it.....

I will however be more mindful of my tone and try to be more positive in the future. Thanks for pointing it out...

Its all about perception.
I don't get that vibe. But to each their very own.
 
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Having grown up in SEA, I can attest to the constant inclement weather. Having flown extensively throughout the state of Alaska in the late 70's to the mid 80's, I can honestly say that there are very few places that are as challenging. I think that Alaska wants to make absolutely sure that they're getting pilots that really don't want to be anywhere else or fly anywhere else. There is nothing wrong with that! Why pay for training and then have somebody skip to SWA when and if their number comes up? I personally don't thinks that makes them a cut above the rest, nor do I sense that in the posts of the AK guys. If anything , it makes good business sense. Having been at U for 19 years, I only wish that I would have had this type of vision earlier. U has been OK, but as someone posted earlier, " location, location, location". You're just naturally going to be happier if you're living where you want and doing the kind of flying that you want. Now, how do I get an interview in my old age (49)?
mach none said:
Dogg:

I did not think I was uppity. I appologize if I have been.

I like where I am and enjoy the people I fly with. As do all here. The "attitude" you allude to most likely comes from the HR moffia and their matrix for getting an interview and a job.

All airlines have problems. Including SWA and JB. Each group has their own personality too. Withing that group, the personalities change between bases as well.

I encourage you to pursue your goals and the airline that best suits you.
 
Rhino said:
Four, on the 31st.

This info is from a reliable source!

My phone hasn't rang yet...


That is barely a week away, if it is true what the eck are they waiting for to call these people for class? And if they will all be on the 737 would that be in ANC on the 200.
 
ACAFool said:
That is barely a week away, if it is true what the eck are they waiting for to call these people for class? And if they will all be on the 737 would that be in ANC on the 200.

I'm pretty sure they have called those scheduled for class on the 31st, although I could be wrong about that. Stranger things have happened. But this class has been "scheduled" for some time now, and I don't think they would still be waiting to fill it.

Not sure about which model 737 and base, but the last 737 new hires went to ANC on the -200. I could find out Monday for sure and post it unless someone else has the info and posts it before then.
 
Singlecoil said:
Interesting. They are going to be awfully short on crews in the summer months unless they do something about it now. .


Perhaps not once they use your concessions to pay for the acquisition of Frontier and/or Aloha. I am sure that would change the whole picture once that happens. Senior mgt at Alaska has been going to Denver multiple times recently - wonder why.
 
ACAFool said:
Perhaps not once they use your concessions to pay for the acquisition of Frontier and/or Aloha. I am sure that would change the whole picture once that happens. Senior mgt at Alaska has been going to Denver multiple times recently - wonder why.


A lot of people are afraid of this.
 
I wish they'd been seen in Hawaii...
 
confirmed

I've received two emails from guys selected for that class. It will be for the -200 in ANC. I'd heard there may be four slots, but I can confirm at least two.
 
I rode the AS jumpseat a couple of weeks ago (CASS) and the Captain explained to me that things are not what they used to be. He was advising potential candidates to apply at SW and NOT EVEN consider AS. I have always thought AS to be a happy family. What gives?

V2
 
V2+10 said:
I rode the AS jumpseat a couple of weeks ago (CASS) and the Captain explained to me that things are not what they used to be. He was advising potential candidates to apply at SW and NOT EVEN consider AS. I have always thought AS to be a happy family. What gives?

V2


Disgruntled? It is also contract time.
 
Latest in Pravda

2004 financial results announced

Losses continue while traffic and load factors climb
January 28, 2005 A steep fourth quarter loss accelerated by several big one-time chargeshelped push Alaska Air Group to a net loss of $15.3 million in 2004.The loss would have been even greater were it not for sizable fuelhedging gains during the year.

For the fourth quarter, Air Group reported a net loss of $44.9 million,compared to a net loss of $16.1 million during the same period in 2003.


For all of 2004, Air Group reported a net loss of $15.3 million, compared to net income of $13.5 million in 2003.

Fourthquarter results in 2004 include a restructuring charge of $25.9 millionand additional impairment charges of $600,000 related to Horizon’sretired F-28 fleet. This quarter’s results also include$23.1 million in mark-to-market hedging losses reflecting a decrease inthe fair value of the company’s fuel hedge portfolio during thequarter.

Without these items, the net loss would have been $14.3 million during the fourth quarter of 2004.

Excludingthe full-year impact of the items discussed above, as well as theB737-200 impairment charge and the navigation fee recovery recordedearlier in the year, and government compensation recorded in 2003, the2004 full year net income would have been $5.2 million, compared to a net loss of $30.8 million in 2003.

“Theimprovement in our operating results for the year shows that we arecontinuing to make headway with our restructuring. Our move in early2004 to simplify fares, coupled with our employees’ ongoing focus onthe customer experience, contributed to a jump in our passenger trafficand loads,” said Bill Ayer, CEO. “However, we would haveclearly been in the red in 2004, after adjusting for the unusual items,if not for fuel hedging gains.

“As we head into 2005, we must continue to pursue cost savingsinitiatives that will help us become consistently profitable, andweather the onslaught of low-cost competition, restructured networkairlines and very high fuel prices,” Ayer said.

At Alaska Airlines, “after adjusting for the unusual items, we hadpretax income of $2.1 million for all of 2004, compared to a pretaxloss of $41 million for the prior year,” says Brad Tilden, executive vice president of finance and chief financial officer. “

Alaska Airlines’ passenger traffic in the fourth quarter increased 10.2percent on a capacity increase of 5 percent. The airline’s load factorincreased 3.4 percentage points to 72.9 percent compared to the sameperiod in 2003. Operating revenue per available seat mile (ASM)increased 0.4 percent, while operating cost per ASM excluding fuel andrestructuring charges decreased 8.6 percent. Alaska’s pretax loss forthe quarter was $68.9 million, compared to a pretax loss of $27.3million in 2003. Excluding the unusual items referenced above, Alaska’spretax loss was $22.7 million for the quarter.

Horizon Air reported pretax income of $13.7 million in 2004, compared to a profit of $6.7 million in 2003.

HorizonAir’s passenger traffic in the fourth quarter increased 36.8 percent ona 28.1 percent capacity increase. Horizon’s load factor increased by4.4 percentage points to 71.7 percent compared to the same period in2003. Horizon’s operating revenue per ASM decreased 17.2 percent, whileits operating cost per ASM excluding fuel and the impairment chargedecreased 18.1 percent. The decrease in Horizon’s revenue per ASM andcost per ASM excluding fuel is largely due to the addition of Horizon’scontract flying for Frontier Airlines. This flying represented 23.1percent of Horizon’s capacity during the fourth quarter and 9.9 percentof its passenger revenues. Horizon’s pretax loss for the quarter was$1.6 million, compared to a pretax income of $5.4 million in 2003.Excluding the unusual items referenced above, Horizon’s pretax incomewas $1.8 million for the quarter.

Alaska Air Group had cash andshort-term investments at the end of 2004 of approximately $874 millioncompared to $812 million a year earlier. The company’s debt-to-capitalratio, assuming aircraft operating leases are capitalized at seventimes annualized rent, was 78 percent at year end, compared to 77percent as of Dec. 31, 2003.
 

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