Alaska contract

[CesnaCaptn]

Maybe I missed something, but has any Alaska CBA ever had scope? Have Alaska pilots always relied on the benevolence of their management in this area?

Nothing has ever stopped this airline from becoming another Midwest Airlines. The entire pilot group could be outsourced.

 

[altimaklr]

The motivation for this is so obvious.. Didn't anyone notice Skywest ordering another 100 E175-E2's (easily converted to the larger model I'm sure) this week? Sign this contract, and Alaska will never grow again in our career. It will be all Skywest with some 737's for Hawaii and transcon.

 

[Old School 737]

I love the argument about how widebody equipment supplement the NB .. And we don't have WB equip.. So we can't pay as much ... Big airlines that have 5 or 6 fleet types have huge training costs ... Ours not so much ..

 

[Snapshot]

If the majority of the pilots have the stomach for a knock-down, drag-out fight for scope, I believe it will be years before we have a new TA with scope in it. In that time, your RJ's with 'mos will show up. Either way the Alaska pilots lose. See how that works?

Then it's a question of die on your feet or live on your knees? Easy math.

I hear ya but .. We have nothing stoping it now ... So they can do it yesterday if they want ..

If they want a strike. Y'all got the balls, right? If not, there's really no point in even negotiating.

 

[Old School 737]

If we don't get scope the rest of the contract better be AMAZING !! and it's not ... Record profits .. And we had guys on the street during that time ... WTF over ..,

 

[Ocity]

If we ratify this pos, its our own fault. I don't blame the company at all, I blame our MEC for putting us in this position. The career damage from this will not be recoverable. We shoot it down, team up with the very pissed off flight attendants, and MAKE THEM PAY THEIR FLIGHT CREWS WHAT WE'RE WORTH!

1.8 billion in cash and years of record profits. It's now or NEVER.

 

[Boxboy]

If we don't get scope the rest of the contract better be AMAZING !! and it's not ... Record profits .. And we had guys on the street during that time ... WTF over ..,

Exactly! No need to sugar coat a good TA, only the bad ones.

 

[Moosemunch]

You guys are exactly right.. Alaska management has a plan in mind. They have been very tight lipped about their exact growth plans by design. I think if this contract passes, there will be an announcement of some type. It may be growth using Skywest or another affiliate as contracted expansion or something with Delta. Regardless, without any real scope in place, the moves Alaska makes is going to be away from mainline, further reducing their costs and finding efficiencies with other operators. If this TA passes, it's going to be a disaster..

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

If they want so badly to grow by regional, then why not have a regional-to-mainline ratio in the contract?

If growth is sooo important that it needs to be in the preamble, then enshrine it in the actual sections.

And don't tell me that scope is "in there" because it's in the preamble.

 

[CGHercster]

Just like last time

You guys are exactly right.. Alaska management has a plan in mind. They have been very tight lipped about their exact growth plans by design. I think if this contract passes, there will be an announcement of some type. It may be growth using Skywest or another affiliate as contracted expansion or something with Delta. Regardless, without any real scope in place, the moves Alaska makes is going to be away from mainline, further reducing their costs and finding efficiencies with other operators. If this TA passes, it's going to be a disaster..

Who was surprised when they announced furloughs 2 weeks after the last POC TA was approved? No surprise. Just be happy being a career FO...

 

[Boxboy]

Who was surprised when they announced furloughs 2 weeks after the last POC TA was approved? No surprise. Just be happy being a career FO...

Hey, at least this TA has better furlough language!:nuts:

 

[fam62c]

You guys are exactly right.. Alaska management has a plan in mind. They have been very tight lipped about their exact growth plans by design. I think if this contract passes, there will be an announcement of some type. It may be growth using Skywest or another affiliate as contracted expansion or something with Delta. Regardless, without any real scope in place, the moves Alaska makes is going to be away from mainline, further reducing their costs and finding efficiencies with other operators. If this TA passes, it's going to be a disaster..

Why couldn't they just do that now, what is stopping them? If they really want to do that they are never going to sign a scope clause that prevents them from running the business they way they want to......why would they?

 

[igneousy2]

Why couldn't they just do that now, what is stopping them? If they really want to do that they are never going to sign a scope clause that prevents them from running the business they way they want to......why would they?

Which is why we need to get it in writing now...unless they are already planning to...which means they are lying.

 

[CGHercster]

ALPA has left the building.

 

[Old School 737]

ALPA has left the building.

They have ??

Out to lunch ??