Alaska contract

[StarChecker]

Yeah, less than 12 hours before we embarrass ourselves and take a huge Schitt on our careers and the profession as a whole. Congrats ALPA!!!! You fked us AGAIN!!

We're hiring!

Wanna come try it out with no CBA? It's a party!...

 

[JAM-BRO]

5 years from now, when we earn about 40k less a year than the currently bankrupt American Airlines Pilots perhaps you'll see the idiocy in voting for this POS. call me a stupid, ******************** throwing mountain gorilla, but I thought that the pilots of arguably one of the most profitable and successful airlines on the planet could be compensated on par with currently BANKRUPT carriers.

Please let me invite you to take your smug, ignorantly arrogant, condescending, Anchorage bush league, amateur, attitude and shove it up your ass. Some of us do this for the money and not for the compensation of a little penis and high school bullying. GFY. Take ALPA with you.

This is sum good chit!

 

[madjack]

Key word bankrupt

 

[PCL_128]

tens of thousands of mainline legacy pilots who have been furloughed are wondering just that, what happened to their jobs going to RJ fleets. I bet AK has more than fifty RJ's flying inside five years connecting the lower 48 dots.

You do realize that they didn't give up any scope, right? If Alaska management had wanted to outsource fifty RJs, they could have already done it. They didn't need this new contract to do it. The idea that suddenly the RJ floodgates are going to open at Alaska because of this contract is devoid of common sense.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

You do realize that they didn't give up any scope, right? If Alaska management had wanted to outsource fifty RJs, they could have already done it. They didn't need this new contract to do it. The idea that suddenly the RJ floodgates are going to open at Alaska because of this contract is devoid of common sense.

What would be "devoid of common sense" would be to ignore history.

Alaska wants to get rid of the -700s. What will fill that gap? Less frequent -800 or -900s? What does history say?

 

[Smarta$$]

We're hiring!

Wanna come try it out with no CBA? It's a party!...

And Alaska is hiring. So, you have your opportunity at bliss.

 

[imacdog]

You do realize that they didn't give up any scope, right? If Alaska management had wanted to outsource fifty RJs, they could have already done it. They didn't need this new contract to do it. The idea that suddenly the RJ floodgates are going to open at Alaska because of this contract is devoid of common sense.

So why was scope apparently a non-starter this time around?

 

[CesnaCaptn]

So why was scope apparently a non-starter this time around?

It was a nonstarter for C'09, it's just that fewer pilots were aware of how lacking our scope has always been. Fewer guys pushed for it last time, because there wasn't a third party operator running around with a 'mo on the tail. Heck, there wasn't even a wholly owned subsidiary running around with a 'mo on the tail. I don't know how many captains I had educate on what scope is and why we needed it.

 

[noperf]

AK737FO wrote.

"They are looking for 10% ROIC."

Do you know how they achieved this 10% number?

How many people this affected?

It didn't begin with Kasher.

 

[PCL_128]

So why was scope apparently a non-starter this time around?

Scope is always a non-starter for management. It's their control, which they value more than anything. If you want to take it from them, it's going to cost you. But no one is ever willing to pay what it costs. Everyone thinks they can get 20% pay raises and big scope improvements all in one contract. Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.

 

[Old School 737]

Scope is always a non-starter for management. It's their control, which they value more than anything. If you want to take it from them, it's going to cost you. But no one is ever willing to pay what it costs. Everyone thinks they can get 20% pay raises and big scope improvements all in one contract. Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.

Well we didn't get either of those ..

 

[PCL_128]

I think you miss the point: scope is so valuable to management that if you want big scope improvements, you're not only not getting a 20% pay raise, you ain't getting a pay raise at all. That's how expensive scope is. That's how valuable control is to management. It'll cost you big. You ready for the expense?

Understand, I'm not arguing against fighting for scope. I think nothing is more important than scope. But I'm willing to make the sacrifice to achieve it. Most pilots aren't. They want it all. And that's just not how things work with the RLA.

 

[Old School 737]

I was willing to take no pay increase .. Even with the company record profits .. If we got real scope...

 

[PCL_128]

I was willing to take no pay increase .. Even with the company record profits .. If we got real scope...

You're a rare bird. But good for you. At least you have conviction on the subject. I respect that.

 

[burg]

Does anybody know where I can buy a double wide in south atl?

Really

No joke

As the day is long

Serious

Fo rizzle

 

[PCL_128]

I think a double wide might be too sophisticated for you. Maybe you should get the single and work your way up.

 

[Old School 737]

F that .. Got to go triple wide!!

 

[Erlanger]

Is this the way Delta gets around scope since they code share with Alaska?

 

[StopNTSing]

You do realize that they didn't give up any scope, right? If Alaska management had wanted to outsource fifty RJs, they could have already done it. They didn't need this new contract to do it. The idea that suddenly the RJ floodgates are going to open at Alaska because of this contract is devoid of common sense.

It's pretty hard to give up something (scope) you never had in the first place.

 

[Dan Roman]

but Alaska Airlines is still one of the quickest upgrading airlines in the nation, second only to LUV. You want high suck? Look at some of the 20 plus years it takes to upgrade at some of the other airlines.
I realize that most will disagree with me. .

Actually Hawaiian is by far the quickest in the industry right now. That type of thing always changes dramatically from year to year, but HA has enough airplanes on order with their A321 neo's coming that it is still probably a relatively quick upgrade.