Alaska Bid

[SeaSlam]

New bid is out!!!!

I just saw a copy of the new bid. Without getting into all the details, it works out to 60 positions open with a reduction of 35 for a net new hire total of 25. The effective date is 10 Sep. Hopefully we can start wading to the shallow end of the pool soon. ~SeaSlam

 

[md83driver]

The award posting date is Sept 10, and the Effective date is March 2, 05.
Who knows, it may all change before then depending on the contract.

 

[SeaSlam]

Sorry about the verbage and thanks for the clarification. I had a feeling I'd mess something up if I went into too much detail! I heard the same thing from my buddy in regards to your "who knows what will happen" comment. I guess we'll just keep on waiting and hope for the best!

 

[Rhino]

Net Gains

Here is the pilot position bid as forwarded to me... It looks like a migration toward ANC for many who've been anxious to get up there. (13 net plus up in Capt and 10 net plus up F/O.) With the upgrade of 18 net 737 captains, this will create the need for 19 "new" 737 F/Os from the MD side of the house or from the pool.

Net plus up in the SEA MD80 by 15 Captains, (not sure how the Senior Qualified F/O thing works into the equation) and creating at least 15 "new" MD F/Os from the pool. I'm sure this will bring a few surprises by the time it is posted on Sept 10th, but I doubt many from the pool will be lucky enough to land an F/O position in ANC.

Bottom line... 26 reductions and 60 additions means 34 new hires/poolies. There are not 34 of us in the pool, closer to 27. Hiring should be just around the corner. Sooner than the first of the year perhaps???




"quote...

Date: August 13, 2004
Subject:PILOT BID 2005-03

To: All Alaska Airlines Pilots From:RANDY SORENSON

ANC, LAX, SEA Manager, Flight Administration x6463 SEAOK



PLEASE POST FOR PILOT INFORMATION!

Pilot Position Bid 2005-03 is Effective March 02, 2005

Bid Information Dates:

Posting Date - August 13, 2004

Closing Date - August 27, 2004

Award Posting - September 10, 2004

BE SURE TO CHECK ON & DO THE FOLLOWING;

ARE YOU ON THE FREEZE LIST? Please check the Freeze list to see if you are frozen from certain positions available on this bid. A Freeze List is posted at each pilot base for you to review.

From the Chief Pilot - Before you enter a bid, make an assessment of yourself. Are you prepared for training and/or ready to move? Are you ready for the lifestyle change on reserve if that applies? I strongly recommend that you take a look at whether you and your family are prepared for the lifestyle change. Please review the CBA before you enter a bid. Remember, if you bid it, be ready to fly it.

ANTICIPATED TRAINING DATES: If you are a successful bidder, anticipate going to training as early as October 2004, depending on the type of training you require. Estimated training dates will be calculated and published as soon as possible in September 2004.

2004 and 2005 Vacations: If you are a successful bidder, your 2004 and/or your 2005 vacation may be delayed to allow you to attend training. Sections 16.G.2.b and 9.E.16 address these issues. There will be a form to request a delay due to vacation provided within the result posting. Also note that if you change positions your originally awarded vacation may not follow you to your new position as allowed by section 16.B.3. If your vacation is to be changed the Company will advise you in writing.

You will bid your 2004 vacation according to your January 1, 2005 position.

Next Bid: At this time I do not have any further information concerning future bids, but we are estimating that another bid will come out the mid part of 2005, effective date unknown.

REDUCTIONS

In accordance with Section 10.F of the Pilot’s Working Agreement with Alaska Airlines, the following positions will be reduced:

Anchorage B732 Base

Four (4) Permanent Captains

This is to adjust for staffing.

Six (6) Permanent First Officers

This is to adjust for staffing.

Effective 02March2005

Seattle M80 Base

Seven (7) Permanent Senior Qualified First Officers

This is to adjust for staffing.

Effective 02March2005

Seattle B737 Base

Nine (9) Permanent First Officers

This is to adjust for staffing.

Effective 02March2005

ADDITIONS

In accordance with Section 10.E of the Pilot’s Working Agreement with Alaska Airlines, the following Positions will be open to bid:

Anchorage B737 Base

Seventeen (17) Permanent Captains

These are new positions.

Sixteen (16) Permanent First Officers

These are new positions.

Effective 02March2005

Los Angeles B737 Base

Five (5) Permanent Captains

These are new positions.

Effective 02March2005

Seattle M80 Base

Fifteen (15) Permanent Captains

These are new positions.

Seven (7) Permanent First Officers

These are new positions.

Effective 02March2005

The number of base positions for each status including the new and reduced positions is:

Effective 02March2005

CaptainsF/O’s

732 ANC 50 42

M80 SEA 193 157

737 ANC 27 25

LAX 106 101

SEA 388 350

The estimated bid blocks are as follows:

02March200501July200501October2005

Blocks

732 ANC 30 27 23

M80 SEA 95 108 101

737 ANC 4 14 9

LAX 65 68 63

SEA 248 283 243

 

[flx757]

From what I've been told (and was told this again Friday), one new hire class before the end of the year (around Oct/Nov) with the remainder filling in after the first of the year to be on line by June 1.

Good news and good luck to all those waiting. For positions with the company and for those trying to get to ANC. If any of you happen to come to the MD, then I'll see you in training.

 

[Kool]

Rhino,

You da man! Just as I was afraid I might have to give up you post this to rekindle my hope. Thanks. Your sources are much better than mine at promulgating the hard info. Flx757, where are you, man? Maybe still on vacation....

Hurry and get to the shallow end of the pool so I can get a chance at the diving board!

Kool

Oh, sure, Flx adds a post just when I list him MIA! Sorry, dude.

 

[av8instyle]

don't forget about...

Bottom line... 26 reductions and 60 additions means 34 new hires/poolies. There are not 34 of us in the pool, closer to 27

possibly not so fast...don't forget about the other 3 reduction bids that were posted along with this bid. They reduce the following positions with no additions:
SEA 73 capt 2 fo 2
SEA MD capt 1 fo 1
LAX 73 capt 3 fo 1

Total reductions = 10

I'm not really sure yet how they work the math but food for thought.

 

[Singlecoil]

possibly not so fast...don't forget about the other 3 reduction bids that were posted along with this bid. They reduce the following positions with no additions:
SEA 73 capt 2 fo 2
SEA MD capt 1 fo 1
LAX 73 capt 3 fo 1

Total reductions = 10

I'm not really sure yet how they work the math but food for thought.

I don't think the reduction bids you are referring to will affect the hiring. I think 34 new hires is a good number. The reduction bids are for people who are already on a leave or are about to retire. I also think some new hires will definitely be sent to ANC, perhaps as many as 10.

 

[ClearRight]

I also think some new hires will definitely be sent to ANC, perhaps as many as 10.

Sign me up!!

 

[SneakyJake]

I have a friend, who has a friend, who robbed someone, who flew with Major and he said he would place 40 new hires into class by the end of the year with the first class starting in Oct.

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

I have a friend, who has a friend, who robbed someone, who flew with Major...

You would think that if this were REALLY a friend, who had a friend, who robbed someone, and flew with Majer, he would know his name.

 

[SneakyJake]

I'm sorry, I will ask him to type slower next time as to not upset you.

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

I'm not upset. I'm just pointing out that if you're asking a man for a job, you ought to know what is name is. Kind of common sense, wouldn't yoy think?

 

[LAXSaabdude]

I'm not upset. I'm just pointing out that if you're asking a man for a job, you ought to know what is name is. Kind of common sense, wouldn't yoy think?

Yoy would think so!

LAXSaabdude.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Sure would be nice to see some movement - have one CA at my company who should be in the pool.

 

[Kool]

The word I received out of Majers' office was that this bid opened 34 slots for newhires, and oh by the way, there are exactly 34 people in the pool. Good news for the poolies, however, the other part of the news was that at last talks hiring again would start maybe early Spring '05, but is now being talked about in late '05...bummer for the rest of us.

I'll get back to practicing...."Welcome to Walmart, may I help you?"

Fly safe.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

I head AS canceled around 20 flights in August due to the lack of crews? Can anybody confirm this?

 

[flx757]

I head AS canceled around 20 flights in August due to the lack of crews? Can anybody confirm this?

August was actually a fairly good month compared to June and July.

On another note...yes, the number of vacancies created by the new bid corresponds approximately to the number of pilots in the pool. I think there are actually a FEW more positions than poolies. Plus, I have heard talk that there are at least a couple of people in the pool that will not be accepting the position for one reason or another. What this all means in the big picture, I'm not sure. (We are only shown the very lower right hand corner of the big picture)....but in all likelihood, it probably means at least a minimal amount of additonal hiring next year.

Also, for what it's worth, the higher ups seem to think that the new hires will go mostly into the MD, since that has proven to be the junior aircraft in the most recent shuffle bids...I suppose we'll see how it all shakes out.

 

[dogg]

What will actually happen with this bid is a bid cancellation. The company will not want to be training pilots for every seat in every airplane so they will cancel the bid and the hiring for now. Then they will tweak the bid so as to reduce the training events and put it back out..... Normal ops

 

[mach none]

That is what everyone said about the last two bids. I think they will go ahead with it. Management has already proven they don't care about training costs. Besides, management hopes it will agitate the pilot group during negotiations.

What will actually happen with this bid is a bid cancellation. The company will not want to be training pilots for every seat in every airplane so they will cancel the bid and the hiring for now. Then they will tweak the bid so as to reduce the training events and put it back out..... Normal ops