Alaska Airlines petitions DOT on Virgin status

[tzskipper]

tzskipper,

The pilots at VA have nothing to do with whether or not the company is following the laws set forth for a U.S. Domestic airline. If VA cannot classify itself legally as a U.S. owned and controlled airline, then it opens a huge can of worms for you, me and the rest of the "established" airline pilots throughout this country and should not be allowed to operate. If it can pass scrutiny then they should be allowed to continue.

I don't think anyone really believes that SRB doesn't exert a great deal of influence, especially financially, to his pet project here in the States. Hell even VA folks have bragged about how his deep pockets will keep them afloat.

Alaska Airlines, and every other domestic carrier out there, has every right to ensure that a direct competitor is not sidestepping the laws and competing unfairly.

So if VA is found to be in compliance, this whole debate can be put to bed?

 

[Chief Pilot]

So if VA is found to be in compliance, this whole debate can be put to bed?

Wouldn't that be the point in the findings of a DOT inquiry? Of course. Then it would be up to the pilots to actually do something positive for themselves and, as a byproduct, the rest of the industry.

And for Westward and Saabstory, why don't you pick up a recent financial report or couple-week-old business journal to find out whether or not Alaska can compete. The fact is they shouldn't have to compete with a company that is in violation of the law. If you don't get it, then you are either ignorant or a VA pilot worried about your job.

It would be hard to imagine that Alaska management would put this much effort into petitioning the DOT if they thought nothing would come from it.

 

[tzskipper]

Wouldn't that be the point in the findings of a DOT inquiry? Of course. Then it would be up to the pilots to actually do something positive for themselves and, as a byproduct, the rest of the industry.

And for Westward and Saabstory, why don't you pick up a recent financial report or couple-week-old business journal to find out whether or not Alaska can compete. The fact is they shouldn't have to compete with a company that is in violation of the law. If you don't get it, then you are either ignorant or a VA pilot worried about your job.

It would be hard to imagine that Alaska management would put this much effort into petitioning the DOT if they thought nothing would come from it.

For the sake of clarity, I am neither ignorant or worried about a job. I just find it interesting that some companies (ALK in this case) go to any length in order to not have to compete. Doesn't free market truly mean free? Competition means improvements in products and services, something that ALK doesn't seem capable of providing. I am sure it is not easy competing against a well funded upstart who's product is focused on guest service and great technology, but hey, this is America... If you can't (or don't want to..) compete, then sue somebody (or the equivalent in this case...).

In regards to Alaska management's efforts to petition, there is no downside. If they are wrong (which I believe will happen, as the ownership and management of VA are not ignorant of the law either, and I doubt they are foolish enough to jeopardize a multi-hundred million dollar investment over an oversight of this issue), the issue goes away after smearing the the name and reputation of the new company. Goal somewhat accomplished.

Goodnight and good luck.

Skipper

 

[SpinDoctor]

Ya, How could Alaska ever compete with such killer numbers. I'm trying to find any positive numbers in there....hmmm, still looking, hmmm, oh well. The only positive at that airline is that their uniforms are positively retarded. How hard is it to turn a profit when your total crew cost is less than a SWA CA hourly?
Also, look at what Alaska/VA compete on (SEA-LAX/SFO) 60 AND 65% LF respectively. Killer!!!

May you walk the path of Skybus.......

2008Q2 is the latest data that they filed with the Department of Transportation, so its what I present here.

By Quarter:
Route …....... Cost/Qtr …....... Rev/Qtr …....... Loss/Qtr …....... Margin
JFK-LAX … $30,831,959.50 … $19,932,186.30 … $(10,899,773.20) … -54.7%
LAS-SFO … $11,096,213.31 … $6,874,314.62 … $(4,221,898.69) … -61.4%
LAX-SFO … $12,859,687.10 … $7,799,454.39 … $(5,060,232.72) … -64.9%
IAD-SFO … $18,255,375.61 … $10,719,583.18 … $(7,535,792.42) … -70.3%
JFK-SFO … $30,473,573.58 … $17,372,548.07 … $(13,101,025.51) … -75.4%
SEA-SFO … $9,132,320.65 … $4,729,723.06 … $(4,402,597.59) … -93.1%
IAD-LAX … $17,504,056.12 … $8,797,902.36 … $(8,706,153.75) … -99.0%
SAN-SFO … $11,400,680.27 … $5,303,068.20 … $(6,097,612.06) … -115.0%
LAX-SEA … $12,244,865.52 … $4,917,505.21 … $(7,327,360.31) … -149.0%

By Departure
Route …....... Cost/Dep …....... Rev/Dep …....... Loss/Dep …....... Margin
JFK-LAX … $41,274.38 … $26,682.98 … $(14,591.40) … -54.7%
LAS-SFO … $12,538.09 … $7,767.59 … $(4,770.51) … -61.4%
LAX-SFO … $11,153.24 … $6,764.49 … $(4,388.75) … -64.9%
IAD-SFO … $40,388.00 … $23,715.89 … $(16,672.11) … -70.3%
JFK-SFO … $40,255.71 … $22,949.20 … $(17,306.51) … -75.4%
SEA-SFO … $16,943.08 … $8,775.00 … $(8,168.08) … -93.1%
IAD-LAX … $37,562.35 … $18,879.62 … $(18,682.73) … -99.0%
SAN-SFO … $12,984.83 … $6,039.94 … $(6,944.89) … -115.0%
LAX-SEA … $20,789.25 … $8,348.91 … $(12,440.34) … -149.0%

By Available Seat Mile (ASM)
Route …....... CASM …....... RASM …....... Loss/ASM …....... Margin
JFK-LAX … $0.11200 … $0.07241 … $(0.03960) … -54.7%
LAS-SFO … $0.22444 … $0.13905 … $(0.08540) … -61.4%
LAX-SFO … $0.24782 … $0.15031 … $(0.09752) … -64.9%
IAD-SFO … $0.11214 … $0.06585 … $(0.04629) … -70.3%
JFK-SFO … $0.11009 … $0.06276 … $(0.04733) … -75.4%
SEA-SFO … $0.17922 … $0.09282 … $(0.08640) … -93.1%
IAD-LAX … $0.11459 … $0.05760 … $(0.05700) … -99.0%
SAN-SFO … $0.21625 … $0.10059 … $(0.11566) … -115.0%
LAX-SEA … $0.15615 … $0.06271 … $(0.09344) … -149.0%

[SIZE=-4][Edited 2009-02-03 19:19:48][/SIZE]
Load Factors
For 2nd quarter

From IAD:
LAX - 77%
SFO - 80%

From JFK:
LAX: 83%
SFO: 76%

From LAS:
SFO - 77%

From LAX:
IAD: 78%
JFK: 84%
SEA: 63%
SFO: 76%

From SAN:
SFO: 70%

From SEA:
LAX: 60%
SFO: 65%

From SFO:
IAD - 84%
JFK - 79%
LAS- 76%
LAX - 75%
SAN - 70%
SEA - 66%

 

[WSurf]

Wouldn't that be the point in the findings of a DOT inquiry? Of course. Then it would be up to the pilots to actually do something positive for themselves and, as a byproduct, the rest of the industry.

And for Westward and Saabstory, why don't you pick up a recent financial report or couple-week-old business journal to find out whether or not Alaska can compete. The fact is they shouldn't have to compete with a company that is in violation of the law. If you don't get it, then you are either ignorant or a VA pilot worried about your job.

It would be hard to imagine that Alaska management would put this much effort into petitioning the DOT if they thought nothing would come from it.

Now we have a winner........

 

[clickclickboom]

The whole point can be summarized:

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

If Alaska is going to play by the rules than VA is and Alaska is making sure as VA has shown that they feel the regular rules do not apply to them.

I am normally quite neutral and dont express radical opinions but f-uck those va bast-ards. I would rather see some mexican airline flying dc6's in this country

 

[Fubijaakr]

If you don't get it, then you are either ignorant or a VA pilot worried about your job.

I seriously doubt they're ignorant. So...

 

[Noserider76]

The only thing Alaska's admitting is they cannot compete. It sounds like desperation or just plain panic.

When your competition pays their flight crews food stamp wages so they can trash yields everywhere they go you damn sure want to make sure they're abiding by what few rules there are.

 

[Old School 737]

When your competition pays their flight crews food stamp wages so they can trash yields everywhere they go you damn sure want to make sure they're abiding by what few rules there are.

Well said!!!

 

[jayme]

When your competition pays their flight crews food stamp wages so they can trash yields everywhere they go you damn sure want to make sure they're abiding by what few rules there are.

Is my $44/hr somehow more deserving of food stamps than the $30/hr I was offered to go to work for NorthWest?

 

[Fubijaakr]

I believe he's referring to the $95 an hour 1st year Captain rate you get when you get your merit based upgrade.

 

[jayme]

Upgrade's running at 14 months, so no first year captains any more. So it's $100/hr. After 14 months with the company. I guess I have no idea what the income requirements are for food stamps. I would have thought that wouldn't qualify.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Never mind.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Upgrade's running at 14 months, so no first year captains any more. So it's $100/hr. After 14 months with the company. I guess I have no idea what the income requirements are for food stamps. I would have thought that wouldn't qualify.

Keep talking yourself into it.

Oh, and use a picture of your kid as your avatar on the internet.

(you're right, fubij, it's not worth it)

 

[Mr.B]

Upgrade's running at 14 months, so no first year captains any more. So it's $100/hr. After 14 months with the company. I guess I have no idea what the income requirements are for food stamps. I would have thought that wouldn't qualify.

Any retirement?

 

[jayme]

Look, guys, I'm not saying the pay is good. All I'm saying is that it's hypocritical to pile on us because of pay when my other option was to make $30/hr at NorthWest. I make more where I am, and it would be about 15 years before I started making more if I had taken the NW job.

 

[WSurf]

Upgrade's running at 14 months, so no first year captains any more. So it's $100/hr. After 14 months with the company. I guess I have no idea what the income requirements are for food stamps. I would have thought that wouldn't qualify.

If you live in SFO that qualifies .

 

[8v8ter]

Upgrade's running at 14 months, so no first year captains any more. So it's $100/hr. After 14 months with the company. I guess I have no idea what the income requirements are for food stamps. I would have thought that wouldn't qualify.

Don't you go to first year pay when you upgrade to Captain anyway?

 

[ExFokkerFlyer]

No, that policy is gone.

 

[clickclickboom]

How will you make more when the whole madoff style funding scheme gets exposed and your main investors ( Whom you are already in default ) realizing that they cannot even get back their 150 million pull the plug on future funds. Will you guys resort to your average -50% margins to pull in the revenue to bolster your 35 million of cash on hand?

Bransen can only buy so many tickets with the farce travel company before everyone catches on.



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