Airtran-Swa. out of seniority?

[dz505]

Should I hang my head low while providing arguably the most user friendly Jumpseat service in the industry?

No pilot in this industry should hang their head low. We've all been around the block.
Damn spell checker

 

[jonjuan]

No pilot in this industry should hang there head low. We've all been around the block.

there head. There Wolf. There castle.

 

[jball2]

MAX, first off, I don't blame you for being disappointed or even angry. I posed the question to you so I could gauge what you expectations were but unfortunately that went nowhere. However, I think your reaction is completely juvenile. I have a lot of friends at Airtran so I have heard the sob story more times than you know. However, they wake up and do their best to have a positive attitude and do their job professionally and in the end we all move on and are still GREAT friends. When you make threats about jumpseats and comments about "hanging your head low," you show what kind of person you are. Right now you are a hostage to your anger and that really sucks for you. I hope you find a way out and can manage some happiness in the future. You are always welcome on my jumpseat because I know neither you or I caused this.

 

[Max Powers]

MAX, first off, I don't blame you for being disappointed or even angry. I posed the question to you so I could gauge what you expectations were but unfortunately that went nowhere. However, I think your reaction is completely juvenile. I have a lot of friends at Airtran so I have heard the sob story more times than you know. However, they wake up and do their best to have a positive attitude and do their job professionally and in the end we all move on and are still GREAT friends. When you make threats about jumpseats and comments about "hanging your head low," you show what kind of person you are. Right now you are a hostage to your anger and that really sucks for you. I hope you find a way out and can manage some happiness in the future. You are always welcome on my jumpseat because I know neither you or I caused this.

Threats about jumpseats???? Ummm when did I do that? Why are you obsessed with what I think would be a fair SLI?

I don't have an answer to what would be a fair SLI because-(drum roll) I am not divorced of my emotion in other words I have a dog in this fight.

That is my point how many times do I have to tell you this! What would be fair and fall under the golden rule is to have an outside arbitrator but, according to you that is "BS".

Can you comprehend this Jball or do I have to draw you a picture? Honestly, i put it in bold this 4th time I have told you and you still don't get or even acknowledge my point.

 

[scoreboardII]

NEWS FLASH, NEWS FLASH....SWAPA wanted arbitration.

Is that what you are saying scoreboard LMAO again. Your a fun guy, maybe you should be like the rest of your SWA and keep your mouth shut. In a merger everyone is supposed to give a little - however in this merger only the AAI gave and gave a lot.

It is what it is; but to have SWA folks try and tell me "they got screwed as bad as we did" - Let's just say I would not recommend saying that to our face.

OK, I'll say it: SWA guys got screwed worse, it wasn't ever supposed to happen, SWA doesn't "merge". Yet here we are.... And yes, SWAPA was 100% ready to fight an arbitration fight with over $10 million in the bank and the two top legal teams on call.

 

[scoreboardII]

I was just about stapled, whilst being 1.5 years away from upgrade - I had 61% above me. I was then slotted in with 4% swa pilots below me. I guess I should be happy with that, sorry I didn't have more seniority for you to steal.

Your upgrade number is falacy, the facts of this industry changed once SWA wanted ATL. Either they were going to fight you for it (meaning no upgrade ever) or merge.

 

[scoreboardII]

That is my point how many times do I have to tell you this! What would be fair and fall under the golden rule is to have an outside arbitrator but, according to you that is "BS".

Can you comprehend this Jball or do I have to draw you a picture? Honestly, i put it in bold this 4th time I have told you and you still don't get or even acknowledge my point.

You realize that train left the station, right?

 

[scoreboardII]

Yes, really.

This could have been a combined op in less than a year from SOC and DoCC, just like DAL/NWA. But it's not.

That's over 2 years with over $200M per year saved in terms of lower pay plus continued bag fees. The pilot pay piece alone is $120 Million.

Not angry, just simple math and balance sheet focus rather than AirTran employee focus.

Will answer the rest later when I have my computer in front of me with the snapshot pre-merger list.

The loss of merger money is water under the bridge, we have no control.

I also think we should have been combined sooner rather than later, but again, we have no control. The other issues, the B scale you speak of, is gone Jan 1 2015. Everyone knew about it, everyone voted for it. Why is this now an issue when we all know we agreed to it and it will be gone 2015?

 

[jball2]

Max,

I strongly encourage you to find employment elsewhere. You will never be happy here and honestly with your juvenile tantrum you have been throwing we don't want you either. Thank goodness most of your coworkers are above this.

Look at post 21
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[Max Powers]

Max,

I strongly encourage you to find employment elsewhere. You will never be happy here and honestly with your juvenile tantrum you have been throwing we don't want you either. Thank goodness most of your coworkers are above this.

Look at post 21
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No sorry going to stay. ... can't wait to add to your culture. Maybe they will put me on the wall of ego if im lucky. Can't wait to get me some luv.

 

[jball2]

Good luck to you. JB out!

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[Lear70]

The loss of merger money is water under the bridge, we have no control.

I also think we should have been combined sooner rather than later, but again, we have no control. The other issues, the B scale you speak of, is gone Jan 1 2015. Everyone knew about it, everyone voted for it. Why is this now an issue when we all know we agreed to it and it will be gone 2015?

Ummm, I was answering YOUR question to a previous post way back on page 2. I even quoted your response. Here it is again:

Originally Posted by freightdogfred
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This pace is set for a reason.

What reason?

You asked "What reason" in response to a post about the pace of the integration being so glacial. I answered it. It's about money. It COULD have been done faster and it's not and it's simply because of the money. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Man I can't wait for GK to buy someone else......What a grand place this is going to be!!! Thanks Unkle Gary....luv you mean it.....

 

[OldManPilot]

20 percent of AT pilots were stapled. I am one of those pilots. Your damn right I will demand a staple if SWA ever buys another airline. I feel betrayed by both companies. It's hard enough in this industry to survive a career, but to be cast aside by all involved is just wrong.

Now I get to watch my block hours erode, earning less each month. Want to make it fair? Bring over the "stapled" guys/girls first!

 

[Citrusflyer]

Now I get to watch my block hours erode, earning less each month. Want to make it fair? Bring over the "stapled" guys/girls first!

I actually cannot disagree with that ..

 

[FlyinGuy]

So it sounds like the "relative" position is only relative if it benefits you?

 

[scoreboardII]

It's all relative.

 

[PCL_128]

The other issues, the B scale you speak of, is gone Jan 1 2015. Everyone knew about it, everyone voted for it.

No, not everyone.

 

[General Lee]

Your upgrade number is falacy, the facts of this industry changed once SWA wanted ATL. Either they were going to fight you for it (meaning no upgrade ever) or merge.

There was no way you could have gotten into ATL without the merger. No way you were going to "fight for it".... Nope. But you STILL don't get it. You don't understand what value they brought to your merger. You apparently never will.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[PCL_128]

There was no way you could have gotten into ATL without the merger. No way you were going to "fight for it".... Nope. But you STILL don't get it. You don't understand what value they brought to your merger. You apparently never will.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Give it up, General. These guys live in a fantasy world where SWA was going to dominate the world and every pilot in America would have sacrificed his first born just for a chance at an interview to be a corndog. Nothing you say will convince them otherwise.

 

[scoreboardII]

PCL, even the no voters are now yes voters.

GL, SWA was coming after ATL, by hook or crook, they want 45-50% domestic market, they are going to get it or die trying.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL, even the no voters are now yes voters.

Was that supposed to be profound or something? Because it doesn't make any sense.

they want 45-50% domestic market

Yeah, they want a lot of things, but they've proven themselves to be pretty incompetent at actually accomplishing any of it. An IT department perpetually stuck in 1979, a CEO delusional enough to believe that an airline can achieve 15% ROIC (or should even care about it in the first place), a flight ops department that does things just "because that's how we've always done it," and the list goes on. This place wouldn't even be profitable right now if it weren't for AirTran's baggage fees, let alone the huge cost advantage they're getting by putting us on a B-scale. The idea that they could have invaded Atlanta and gone head to head with both AirTran and Delta is just laughable.

BTW, how's that single engine taxi coming? Still need another 12 months to "train" for it?

 

[Flyer1015]

let alone the huge cost advantage they're getting by putting us on a B-scale.

Didn't SLI method #1 you (guys) turned down bring equal pay pretty much right away? Sounds like the B-scale was created by SLI method #2.

 

[humveedriver]

Didn't SLI method #1 you (guys) turned down bring equal pay pretty much right away? Sounds like the B-scale was created by SLI method #2.

It was a classic case of saying will you sell your seniority? Most of us believed that we should never have been put in that situation. But that's what GK wanted. He wanted us to sell our seniority for pay parity and a bunch of rediculous conditions and restrictions. Many folks agree that the MEC did the right thing turning it down, and just as many think it should have been put out to a vote. I don't remember any of it being an easy decision.

 

[scoreboardII]

Was that supposed to be profound or something? Because it doesn't make any sense.



Yeah, they want a lot of things, but they've proven themselves to be pretty incompetent at actually accomplishing any of it. An IT department perpetually stuck in 1979, a CEO delusional enough to believe that an airline can achieve 15% ROIC (or should even care about it in the first place), a flight ops department that does things just "because that's how we've always done it," and the list goes on. This place wouldn't even be profitable right now if it weren't for AirTran's baggage fees, let alone the huge cost advantage they're getting by putting us on a B-scale. The idea that they could have invaded Atlanta and gone head to head with both AirTran and Delta is just laughable.

BTW, how's that single engine taxi coming? Still need another 12 months to "train" for it?

Profound? Simply it means no matter how you voted, the yes vote won, so now you get to deal with it just like the yes voter.

Pretty incompetent? They only managed to kill every major out there, according most on this site, sure, nothing but incompetence here. That doesn't mean I don't agree with most of your thoughts, but that one is just wrong.

And yes, SWA would have killed AT in a head to head fight. Lets be intellectually honest, they did kill AT. Still laughing?

 

[PCL_128]

Profound? Simply it means no matter how you voted, the yes vote won, so now you get to deal with it just like the yes voter.

Which isn't remotely the same as us all being yes voters. Sorry, but I'm no yes voter. I may be stuck with it, but I'll be a proud no voter forever.

Pretty incompetent? They only managed to kill every major out there, according most on this site, sure, nothing but incompetence here. That doesn't mean I don't agree with most of your thoughts, but that one is just wrong.

Yes, incompetent. You can't keep pointing to successes of years past and claim that they're relevant now. They aren't. Regardless of past success, SWA is struggling right now. Again, without AirTran's ancillary revenue, SWA would have its first money losing year in three decades. It's time to examine why that is and make the corrections. Start with the backwards ass IT department that is holding us all back in an embarrassing fashion.

And yes, SWA would have killed AT in a head to head fight. Lets be intellectually honest, they did kill AT. Still laughing?

Yep, I'm still laughing. Laughing at the arrogance that will be your downfall.

 

[ATLplt]

And yes, SWA would have killed AT in a head to head fight. Lets be intellectually honest, they did kill AT. Still laughing?

Do you put your purple and orange pom poms away when you're beating it to Gary's head shot?

 

[scoreboardII]

Not arrogance, just a fact.

Again, without AirTran's ancillary revenue, SWA would have its first money losing year in three decades. It's time to examine why that is and make the corrections.

You obviously have little knowledge of accounting principles. If SWA never heard of AT or was fighting head to head, do you think they would have slowed the purchase of somethings to still show a profit? Yep.

I have no beef that it's messed up, that they could have done it better, that the IT department needs a pink slip. Just remember, their your IT dpeartment now.

But your ignorance of the facts on the ground that AT will be gone Jan 1 2015 is just a river in Egypt, Denial of the truth SWA would have kicked AT's butt, and did.

 

[PCL_128]

Not arrogance, just a fact.

You'll get your comeuppance. Only a matter of time.

 

[scoreboardII]

Well, who will feel the comeuppance first if your lower on the list than I then huh?